Grade The Pick: Gary Trent Jr. (37th Overall)

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What Grade Would You Give The 37th Pick (Gary Trent Jr.)?

  1. A

    14.5%
  2. A-

    5.5%
  3. B+

    16.4%
  4. B

    23.6%
  5. B-

    3.6%
  6. C+

    9.1%
  7. C

    14.5%
  8. C-

    7.3%
  9. D

    1.8%
  10. F

    3.6%
  1. BBert

    BBert Weasels Ripped My Flesh

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    Can Gary Trent adopt Meyers Leonard?
     
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    SwissBlazer Well-Known Member

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    Can you please stop watching game to have an opinion? It's against this forum policy.
     
  3. JoshuaHall

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    I didn’t ask you specifically, but I appreciate the response. I asked everyone, because it’s an incredible misgnomer that I’ve seen NUMEROUS posters make. I missed maybe 5 minutes of Duke basketball last year; sucking ass on D is a far cry from being an average defender, even above average at times, when he tries and is completely locked in. He does have his limitations that will prevent him from becoming Tony Allen, but failure to be Tony Allen doesn’t mean you’re James Harden all of a sudden - that’s what I’m trying to find out.
     
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  4. JoshuaHall

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    “-Inconsistent in his approach defensively. Doesn't always put enough pride in on this end of the floor. Doesn't have standout lateral quickness, so will get roasted at times off the bounce. Likes to gamble for steals - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Gary-Trent-82914/ ©DraftExpress”

    Far cry from saying, “he can’t guard anyone”. Sounds like they are saying he gives inconsistent effort, not doesn’t have the capability.

    “Does not project as a great perimeter defender at the next level.. Gives inconsistent effort on the defensive end of the floor … May struggle to guard quicker and more athletic players in one-on-one situations …Will need to show that he can consistently excel on defense … Prone to gamble for steals …”

    Doesn’t project to be a great defender... that’s ok, doesn’t mean he projects to be a horrible defender. Effort is questioned again. MAY struggle, as in, they have no fucking clue if he will or will not, they give no reasoning for this - but they do imply that he does excel on defense at times but he needs to do it consistently. Takes too many chances. Once again, nothing that says “HORRIBLE defender” to me or even below average.

    NBA scouting report just says defensive liability with no reasoning laid out. This is some random fan blog, so it doesn’t particularly matter anyway.

    https://basketballscouting.wordpress.com/2018/05/16/gary-trent-jr-scouting-report-2/

    This link has some well made points and was more along the lines of what I was looking for. I’m curious to see his isolation numbers and sample size; most everything else is the same - doesn’t say bad defender, but says there is room for improvement, especially by addressing his effort. Even says he has good instincts. The thing that sticks out is that he was supposedly the 3rd worst defender (in a 7 man rotation) but how does the zone effect that? Does it all? I’d imagine so depending on switching principles.

    Oddly enough, critique of Luka “Lateral quickness, defending better athletes, consistent shooting form”. TRASH DEFENDER right? PASS!

    Hashtag basketball didn’t really say much. “He often gets caught ball-watching, misses rotations, and seems extremely disinterested”.

    Last one says he *may* struggle to guard bigger players.

    Now I’m not saying he is a good defender, but none of those addressed

    A) How they played zone
    B) What his isolation numbers were and sample size
    C) He has a positive defensive rating dbpm and d win shares.

    He might be hindered by not having elite athleticism, but “lol can’t play D” isn’t true.

    His defensive projections are better than Trae Young & Luka Doncic; lottery picks and two of the most coveted players in the draft.

    So, pass on Doncic cuz he might get targeted for being a bad defender, right? Lacks athleticism, foot speed and strength...
     
  5. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    It's a silly little thread, somebody started to help pass the time during the off-season and I didn't mean, "pass" as in passing grade, I meant he gets a pass (for now).

    Fuck this shit. I'll talk to you all in the fall when there's something worth discussing. Ta for now.
     
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  6. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    Don't even compare Doncic and Young to Trent. That's discrediting in itself. He can't do any of what they can do offensively. There's no reason to compare them.

    Scouting reports on the sources I provided tend to state weaknesses in the lightest terms. And defense is mostly effort, so it's easy to say "His effort is inconsistent, he just needs to try more"... some guys just don't have that motor. He honestly reminds me of C.J. as a defender, who's defense was supposed to be solid. Same with Dame.
     
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    If you don't have lateral quickness, your highest upside on defense is "average". I personally only want to add players with two way potential.
     
  8. James lamphear

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    Duke zone defense was terrible by all there player last season.
     
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    But don’t you dare compare them!!
     
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    Thats not entirely true though. I can list off players with average lateral agility that are good defenders. We could start with Wes Matthews.
     
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    When he stays down he actually pretty decent but sometimes he gets to high. But is close out where he needs a lot of work.
     
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    calvin natt Confeve

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    I don't think this is a 'stupid thread', and I think its actually why this and every other forum on the planet exists. I don't mind Bones giving Trent or Simons or anyone else a poor grade or not, especially when he's at least tried to do his homework. All of this is just opinion. We will see. For a team literally stuck in the middle of the NBA, where I feel the Blazers are, this draft with selections at 24 and 37, this wasn't going to move the needle. Neil has time to make some more changes. He might, he might not. If he doesn't, well, hopefully you root for a fun college or pro football team or the Timbers while this gets sorted out. I am not, and have never been, one for meddling/average/being content with "good", I would whole heartedly be fine with blowing it up and passing by the Warriors championship window and preparing for the post dynasty run they are going through now.
     
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  13. Wizard Mentor

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    I believe it's "Ta Ta For Now" or just TTFN. :)
     
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    Considering the salary cap savings, If the Blazers sign Trent to a similar deal, it will
    be worth a lot more than a 1st round pick, or 2 2nd round picks.

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    Duke vs. Michigan State, November 14, 2017

    This showcased #1 and #2 ranked teams at the time.

    Marvin Bagley III only played 10 minutes before leaving the game with an eye injury. The Blue Devils fought hard and won the game without their stud player.

    Trent Offensively
    He showed he is willing to drive to the key and make a few shots. As always, he is ready to spot up at the 3-pt line and create spacing for his teammates. However, He is not a black hole as he is a willing passer and looks to run with the plays called.

    I liked his shot selection and he kept shooting the ball from beyond the 3-pt arc even though his shot wasn't going down.

    However, do not look for him to handle the ball and dribble it often. He was also blocked a couple of times inside the key. He definitely needs to work on ball handling, driving to the hoop, and shooting inside the key.

    Trent Defensively
    It is difficult gauging his individual bilities on defense since Duke played a 2-3 zone defense during the entire game.

    Trent was often times the first guy back on defense guarding them on the perimeter and the block. He did not look to block the ball, but rather stayed with his man while guarding his zone.

    Overall
    Trent took several shots some of them open and some contested. He tends to stick to his strengths (outside shooting with an occasional drive to key and pass to the open man). Defensively he kept his man in front of him without taking too many chances for steals and blocks.


    Some analysts have compared Trent with Crabbe. I personally think Wesley Matthews is a closer comparison.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    That's just the sort of pedantry I can count on around here. Thanks.
     
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    I like the Matthews comp, especially since he’s already got an nba body at 19. His post game shows similar potential as well. And they’re both dogs mentally. Can’t see Trent settling on being average defensively.
     
  18. Wizard Mentor

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    I was thinking more
     
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    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Basing their worth as a whole player because of defense is a little different then talking about a lack of quickness.
     
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