OT Question for all you Punish the Russian heros.

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  1. Chris Craig

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    Which is why I choose to not let the government control me with their brand of violence.
    They're on many in my family, many people I know irl, and I've read many on this forum who are so easily controlled with violence.
    Until that stops. The government will never change their ways.
    Why change what works?
     
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  3. Chris Craig

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    So, I'm violent?
     
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    If your answer is to fight senseless violence with additional violence.
    Then you're controlled by violence.
    The Government is very good at violence, and making people hate one another. Simply because then it's easy to predict what the populace wants.
    One of my friends who believes she should be allowed to punch a person she deems a nazi in the face. Doesn't understand why I wouldn't punch one in the face.
    I won't be controlled by violence. Nor will I give it a voice in the room.
     
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    Speaking as one of the few non-liberals on this forum:

    My view is that geopolitics trumps partisan politics (Pun intended - and then some).

    Let's not act like Russia - especially Putin's gang - has forgiven the US for all its successes over Russia from the 1950s-now. If Russia had played things the other way (and they certainly still intend to btw), you'd see Bernie Sanders in charge and all the 'snowflake' conservatives shouting about election hacks and voter fraud and Jill Stein hanging out with Putin - while liberals pounce about how the FBI, NSA, and CIA are evil organizations bent on stopping democracy (as opposed to the convenient about face they just pulled off following the election) and how NATO is a waste of money that does nothing to keep "peace".

    Of course, the geopolitical reality is that Russia wants the top spot and they'll do anything to get there, including the dismantling of systems (flawed as they may be) that keep American rule. Today, they assisted in electing Trump. Tomorrow, they'll assist in electing his counterpart - which it would seem that the next batch of candidates for the Democrats appear to be a bunch of useful idiots.

    Now, I'm sure you'd agree that Europe is useless in all this. They'll sleep with anyone - Russian, American, Chinese - so long as they get to live in some semblance of the fantasy world they've constructed for themselves. Russia and China know this and will exploit it. Something like NATO is the only thing pumping lifeblood into the West (the EU certainly isn't). Taking the endless amount of heat and criticism is an acceptable compromise that must occur when you lead from the front.

    This is that Game of Thrones shit and if the US doesn't want to be some lucky blip that lasted only a few hundred years, it better be prepared to shoot said enemies that venture into its territory, seeking to break it apart from within. America is the only country that can preserve "the West" and needs to stay in that role.

    Thus, my view is a simple one. There is no need for slaughter and bloodshed but you should be prepared at all times. You can be fair and forgiving or you can be harsh and uncompromising, but don't give an inch to the Europeans and don't give an inch to the Russians. One of those, Trump has done well. The other, not so much.
     
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    Yes. Yes we do.

    Trump is a fucking treasonous MF who has a mouth full of Putin.

    Gorbachev had a mouthful of Reagan.

    That's what we did to Russians and Nazis.

    Now we have a president who commits treason with Russians and has Nazi support.
     
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  7. Chris Craig

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    I do not believe I have intimdated or used physical force here in this forum. My words are not destructive. I seek a conversation with conservatives. Yes, I am a liberal. Yes, my words are often filled with a strength of emotion of which at times conservatives probably find unpleasant. I don't need our government to tell me how to think or act. I think for myself. I have principles and morals. I stick to them. That is not to say I don't keep an open mind. It is hard to have a onesided conversation.

    Violence only begets violence. I don't care for violence unless it is completely neccessary. I don't fight senseless violence with violence, I question it. Some find this notion uncomfortable.
     
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    Are you really comparing Trump to Reagan?

    I don't think Reagan was a great president. He messed a lot of shit up, but no where near Trumps level. When it came to Russia he bitch slapped Gorbachav. He didn't bow to him and shove his nose up Russia's asshole. There is a difference between fixing relations and treating Russia with adoration like a you kid would his older brother.
     
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    This times a million.
     
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    bankruptcy laws have done that for ages....a tractor trailer company in the small town near where I grew up employed most of the non farmers in the town...they had a 20 year retirement program....after 18 years rather than pay retirement...they declared bankruptcy an changed the name of the factory and moved it to a town 50 miles up the road.....screwing all the workers that were about to retire....happens all the time....my mother got screwed out of retirement benefits when she reached the salary cap at her job and they laid her off and replaced her with a minimum wage 18 year old..a year before mom qualified for retirement benefits. .Trump screwed many workers for profit with bankruptcy laws....there are many corporate loopholes to throw the worker under the bus so the CEO can pass out bonuses to his cronies....hell a failed CEO can get 400 million just to leave a company they've screwed up....life ain't fair Marzy….the govt doesn't make companies go for money grabs ….greed does...you don't have to be a commie to suffer the wrath of greedy corporate practices that don't give a shit for the wage worker...it's why we have unions nowadays
     
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    consider the source....Alabama comes to mind
    alabama civil rights.jpg
     
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    It was for me and about 20-/+million other retirees covered. Compensation for services rendered. That is until the Dems passed a bill that encouraged the Corporations to
    stop providing it, or be heavily taxed for each person they covered. Even though it never really was implemented, the option to cease was made legal, eliminating any legal
    recourse to enforce our collecting compensation due. Most of the Co. took advantage of this right up front, as soon as it became legal. Nothing to do with Bankruptcy.
    Actually Bankruptcy had long been a ploy to enable detouring around retirement cost obligations. The Affordable Care Act made it unnecessary, sort of a, get off the hook for free gift card.

    See above river.
     
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    I would put them as the best in my life time. Perhaps even farther back. Who is your top pick?
     
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    Franklin Roosevelt
     
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    Ah! the progressive darling of the last century.
    There are so many things wrong with that guy but I don't want to type that much.
    Just a few.

    Attempted more actions found to be unconstitutional than any other President.

    Interned more Americans that any other President. No contest.

    Ceded Eastern Europe to the Russians for nothing (Yalta). Chiefly the cause of the next 50 years of cold war.

    I could go on, but this is enough hold first place, I hope forever.
     
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