Our ridiculous logjam at guard

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  1. RR7

    RR7 Well-Known Member

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    It does SEEM like he's setting up the roster for moving CJ, but also feels unlikely, just...because.
     
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    That team would be so damn fun to watch. Essentially you'd run Dame/Nurk pick n roll on one side and Derozan/Love pick n pop on the other with Harkless as a cutter for either. The starting unit would be a thing of beauty.
     
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    If you want to balance, it does seem like CJ + Trent could have quite a bit of value, but Butler or some other starting guard better be involved.

    CJ to Tpups
    Harkless, Trent, Taj Gibson to Cleveland
    Butler and Love to Blazers

    Works after Aug 5.

    I like Butler for his defense, but DeRozan sure does seem like a Portland-type player.
     
  5. riverman

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    Harkless plays the 4 in small ball rotations....I'm talking about size on the roster.....we have 8 guys who are bona fide guards or combo guards many who won't sniff the court most games...still don't see this massive imbalance...no problem..just my opinion on the topic.
     
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    again we have 3 7 ft players....we had 2 7 ft guys last year to waive towels...I know what you're talking about...I'm just trying to weigh in on the thread
     
  7. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    I will put it another way.

    We have a combined 96 minutes to dole out between the two guard positions per game.

    Dame and CJ have historically played a combined 72 minutes per game between those two positions. That leaves about 24 minutes total per game for the 7 players on our team that play guard. It's not really good or necessary to have that many guys at our two strongest positions.

    Now, maybe we're stocking up because Neil is planning on making a trade.... or maybe those were just the best players available in the draft, but add in Simons and Trent to us also signing Curry and Stauskas and it's really a head scratcher.

    Conversely, our frontcourt is in a very tumultuous state with Ed Davis leaving. With the exception of Nurk, none of our other bigs are reliable centers. And yes, we can play Aminu and Harkless at power forward, but Harkless has not been an effective four for us, as the numbers show. So when I say there's an imbalance on our roster, I'm talking about the talent. We have a disproportionate amount of talent at guard compared to forward and center.
     
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    Absolutely a good point. However, I don't think it means Deal Comin' Soon. Olshey has said that Trent will, at least initially, play SF. Stauskas can play SF, too?
     
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    I think Biggie and Layman are going to play a lot of 4....Collins will play a lot of minutes as well as Meyers...we'll just have guards waiving towels..instead of Meyers Biggie and Pappa G ...Stauskas is 6'7....he and Trent can play the SF which is actually not a guard position...as well as ET and Mo...
     
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    When you think about it’s the same exact problem we had the last couple of years in the front court.

    We had an imbalance and what did Neil do? He traded one center for another center, and then drafted two bigs.

    This year he drafts two guards, and then signs another two in free agency.

    He either has no idea how to build a roster, or overestimates the value of his players in trade discussions.
     
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    I see it this way

    PG - Dame/Baldwin
    SG - CJ/Curry
    SF - Trent (he might see some spot minutes at SG)

    I don't expect to see Simons or Stauskas as part of the regular rotation. Simons is a project player. Stauskas is a vet min guy there mainly for practices and a spot at the end of the bench.
     
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    Stotts usually mixes up the roster early in the season and settles into a 10 man rotation after the allstar break....some bench guys are injury insurance
     
  13. Natebishop3

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    Stauskas is 6'6, and more importantly, his wingspan is only 6'7.

    Compare that to someone like Baldwin, who is only 6'4 but has a wingspan of 6'11. Or Simons, who is only 6'4 but has a wingspan of 6'9.

    Stauskas is not a small forward. He's a prototypical shooting guard. At least Trent, who is just under 6'6, has a wingspan of just under 6'9. I don't see Stauskas as someone who can defend the three.
     
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    Nik and Trent can play SF and the 2 and that flexibility for Stotts is good. But what I see in the second unit is Curry ET Zach either Nik/Trent Swanigan/Leonard. I think Layman could battle Swanigan and Leonard for minutes at the 4.
     
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    What you're describing is a lottery team...
     
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    Stauskas will not crack the rotation in my view...as I said...he's injury insurance or foul trouble insurance....if we need to fill the court with 3 pt shooters...he might get the occasional nod...
     
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    Stauskas was a pointless signing who we cant even cut.
     
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    Normally I'd agree. But I think the financial situation we're in, coupled with the notion that we're not gonna compete, will prevent him from giving us another Olshey Special.
     
  19. James lamphear

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    I think both Nik or Trent both will guard the 2 and play the 3 on offensive because ET can guard the 3 and will handle the ball on offensive so I don't see that will be a problem.
     
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    i just think the nba is getting further and further away from small or big or guards or forwards or centers. you play 5 guys who can defend the other team and score on the other team. if the other teams are going small, and we are seeing the extinction of the caleb swanigan type guys in the nba - then their mish mash of size and positions seems not too bad to me. I care more about talent level.
     

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