Terry: I would like to freshen up offense

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  1. BonesJones

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    Over the 2nd half of the season, Nurkic provided 20pts per 36 on 55% shooting with above average passing for a C.
    Shabazz is definitely not below average for a backup PG. Average, maybe
    Harkless isn't below average either. He's turned himself into a good 3pt shooter that takes the right shots and knows how to move without the ball (albeit, when he's engaged).

    Our scheme catered too much towards Dame's brilliance instead of supplementing it. I can't believe someone who knows the game like you do is sitting here trying to argue that offensive schemes don't matter.
     
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    Warrior fans aren't the brightest bunch. What point is that statement attempting to make?

    One of the biggest problems I had last year was weakside guys like Turner (a bad 3pt shooter) spotting up in the corner when the defense collapsed on Dame instead of diving to the for an open layup. You're analysis in this scenario is essentially that Turner missed the 3, because he's not a good 3pt shooter, and offensive philosophy can't fix that. Yes, having more talent helps, but scheme matters. This is one example out of many.
     
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    I'm talking smart Warrior fans and more so media people who watch and follow that team closely.

    And to the Turner point, and I've mentioned this multiple times, ET has never had good instincts as a cutter and the lack of shooting only hurts. It's no surprise that the only non-disastrous offensive seasons he's put up are when he's played in a primary handler role. Problem is, we have two guys in Dame and CJ that a clearly better than him in that role.

    And the best way to supplement Dame's offensive brilliance is by putting more skill and shooting around him, and that's why the FO made the moves they did this offseason.
     
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    I’m 24, my guy. Last time Drexler was playing in Portland, I was shitting myself.
     
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    You're acting like the media is basketball part, that's your first mistake.

    "ET never had good instincts as a cutter"..... It's the simplest freakin' cut! Literally, all you have to instruct guys is "when your guy leaves you or turns his head to worry about Dame, you cut baseline to the rim". It's simple as hell... Aminu, Harkless, and other players should do this as well, so saying the lack of dives to the rim is because of "bad cutting instincts" is a severe stretch. If you can't get a player to make a basic, repetitive cut, then you shouldn't be an NBA head coach. Even Vonleh (who's basically uncoachable) learned how to do that. It's the one reason he worked well with Nurkic. Nurkic would short roll after his man helped out on Dame on the pick n roll. Vonleh's guy would help out on Nurkic through defensive rotation, and instead of sitting in the corner for a jump shot, Vonleh would dive towards the rim. It's pretty much the only action he scored off of, but it was very effective and much better than mediocre shooters sitting in the corner launching threes. In the playoffs, we couldn't hit a jumpshot, but we still sat in the corner shooting them instead of diving to the rim.

    The best way to supplement Dame's offensive brilliance is:
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    Using him off the ball more so that he can get free from the defense, as well as be able to attack a defense that's not comfortably set because they either don't know where he is, or they're worried about overloading on Dame and leaving wide open cuts for layups open. Having Dame pound the ball or simply running around the arc allows defenses to get set and comfortable and think through how they're going to load up on him, and continuous basic pick n roll from the top allows teams to trap. (Even side pick n roll is more effective, as it's harder to trap and rotate on)
    2.) Using him in transition so he can attack downhill or hopefully get free for open 3s (which are rare for him). This would also make best use of forwards like Harkless and Aminu who should excel at running the court without the ball. This would also make better use of Turner's skillset, as he could be the one pushing the ball and should have a solid passing option (compared to half-court, which usually turns into an isolation because of the lack of player movement and denial of Dame). Transition would take the pressure off of Dame as well as get him better looks at the basket.
    3.) Have good sets the utilize athletic players (Harkless, Aminu) or bigs on effective cuts to the rim (either due to ball movement flipping the defense creating a cutting lane, or due to backscreens/crosscreens [we have very few of these]). This could collapse the defense and allow Dame some space to catch and shoot or catch and attack the close out. Either that, or we're able to get easy buckets form the action that Dame doesn't have to work his ass off for.
    4.) Having weakside players dive the rim on Dame/Nurk pick n rolls. If that player is cold from 3, then they're not an option for relief, allowing the defense to load up on Dame on the pick n roll and help off that guy in the weakside corner. By having that player dive, Dame could thread a bounce-pass or even a lob, and Nurk could also short-roll and dish (something which he's very good at). This would keep the defense honest and have them pay more attention to that weakside player, which in turn means they wouldn't be loading up as much on the pick n roll, making things easier for Dame. That player doesn't have to be a "shooter" to keep defenses from loading up on Dame. That player doesn't even have to have skill. We just need a coaching staff that knows how to beat defenses that load up on Dame with precise and timely cutting.

    I could come up with more, but I think I've made my point.
     
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    I’m not implying that Dame is Steph Curry, but the warriors have many unique ways to get Curry the ball on offense, they run him around screens a lot, they use him as a decoy a lot too. Blazers need to be less predictable.
    It’s not just weak wide cutting but good off the ball screens to get guys going towards the basket would be great too.
     
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    Exactly. I hate when people say "Oh he just doesn't have enough talent around him"... I've paid attention in depth last year so that I knew I was sure about my opinion about our coaching. It's so easy to just chalk it up to a bad supporting cast...

    I thought people were starting to see the problems with our offensive system in the post-season, because it was so blatant we didn't have a back-up plan beyond halfcourt pick n roll and none of our sets yielded any action towards the basket. Now we got people saying that a change in scheme isn't going to make a difference? I don't understand.........

    At least Stotts finally acknowledges what I've been trying to say for a while...
     
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    It’s easy to use curry those ways when you have two or three other proven scorers surrounding him.

    Although, I do wish Dame was used as a decoy more.
     
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    You’re right. I just think using some of those other guys differently can make them adequate threats. Guys like Aminu and Harkless can attack the rim and if they do it enough the defense will have to start playing them much more honest than they do now.
     
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    More obvious suggestions from Bones he thinks our coaching staff hasn't used (they have), or are too dumb to implement (they're not).

    Some things never change...
     
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    I don’t think Stotts is a bad coach or that they are dumb, I do wonder if the well has ran dry a bit. Absolutely agree talent plays a role, surrounding Dame with better plays should make the team better. I thought last years offense was about as hard to watch as it has been under Stotts.
    I have wondered a few times if the emphasis was so much on getting the defense better, they shortened the offensive play book so they could have practice time and camp devoted to defense more than they have in the past.

    Also still don’t like the run around the perimeter handing the ball off 3-4 times, then they run the pnr. It’s a lot of kind of useless running imo and wastes time on the clock so usually it means Dame or CJ end up with a tough shot.

    I think Curry could be a huge help because of his shooting that could definitely open up the court more for Dame.
     
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    Don't you watch the games...?
     
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    I hope this isn't a serious question.

    If it wasn't, here's one. How many points do you think Terry's terrible schemes are leaving on the table?
     
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    A few, which is a lot. It's more of a problem in playoffs than the regular season though.
     
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    So when talent and matchups become even more important...

    Scheme didn't lose us that Pels series. Davis at 5 limiting Nurk's affect on D and Jrue's two-way dominance did.
     
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    You couldn't be further from the truth. My goodness.
     
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    Ok...
     
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    That's a great point. At this point it's the same red flag as saying, "That guy was really good on the Spurs, and so of course he'd do well here." You don't do business with the Spurs or Celts unless you have a damned good reason.
     
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    You're right, running a P&R every time down the court against the best P&R defense in the league. AND arguably the best P&R big in the game today is excellent coaching.
    In fact you know what. Why look to take advantage of the opponents weakness at all, it's bad manners.
    One must always, and I mean ALWAYS. Play to the opponents strength.

    Funny thing is, irrc this strat of hoping AD is tired worked in game 1.
    Portland just couldn't take advantage of it.
    Doesn't change the fact that @HCP could come up with the scheme Portland used against the Pelicans.
    Run a P&R with Damian Lillard.
    MAN WHAT A GENIUS!! A PICK AND ROLL WITH LILLARD? NO WAY.
     
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    Fans always need somebody to blame, I get it. But making broad stroked generalizations and exaggerations aren't the way to get your point across.
     

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