Politics Being a F***ed Up Hate Crime-r isn't cut-and-dried

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  1. BrianFromWA

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    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/31/...KT8iHFpHF39U7LxJJjDcfuLEzbyTJinpuPRPapJyT1qgY

    But, as always, there's more to the story...
    Those damn neo-Nazis. Wait, what?

    This is why I (and, I imagine, people like me) hate the partisanship going on. Sure, condemn a bunch of clowns in khakis and tiki torches. There's some very fine people there (I notice that no one brings up the "on both sides" portion that means he also thinks some of the antifa thugs are alright as well...that's as far as I'll go about the C-in-C). But it's not that one race or fringe political group is causing problems--as we've seen in the "white wimmin callin the cops" threads, people who think their damn feelings--generally ignorant and messed-up ones, at that-- are more important than fairness and justice in our society are causing the bulk of these problems. And that's not a political statement. The commander of the NYPD hate crimes division says that it's not alt-right Anti-Semites doing all this. Who, then, could it be? Honestly, doesn't matter to me. If they can be rounded up and prosecuted, great. But even if they can't, getting more of you to start to invoke the dialogue that it's not about racism or misogynism or anti-semitism or jihadi-ism or whatever, but that you're a citizen of a society that did just fine without you, there will be benefit from it. Not one of you can credibly state that Maxine Waters and Cory Booker are somehow less guilty of this than Trey Gowdy or Mitch McConnell. Not one can credibly say that Soros paying people off (politicians and protesters and caravan-riders) for his own worldview's gain is better for our country than Bannon's/Bolton's isolationist tweeting and policy-defining.

    /soapbox
     
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    bodyman5000 and 1 Lions, Tigers, Me, Bears

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    More soapbox please.

    Breath of fresh air amongst all the Huffpost articles regurgitated here
     
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    The devil in the details.

    Supposedly, none of these perps have been associated with "far right wing groups." This is not the same as claiming they don't hold far right beliefs. All this report tells us is that the perps have adopted the jihadist tactic of having widely dispersed, lone wolf operatives.

    Sorry, but this is not a distinction that impresses me. If a terrorist holds neo-nazi beliefs, the inability to tie him to a specific group does not somehow make his personal beliefs just disappear.
     
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    Also, just because there are other bad people in the world, does not actually make Nazis any better.

    Also, Heather Heyer was not antifa.

    barfo
     
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    So, Arabs and Persians (Iranians and Iraqis) are now black? Where do you get this nonsense? Of course, I'm not clear why events on the other side of the globe are even relevant here.

    And BTW, you need to read up on history. Non-aryan jihadists were not only welcome in the German army during WWII, they were also allowed to serve in the SS. The Palestinians may not be Nazis, but they have been allied with the Nazi movement since the 1930s.

    In closing, let me say that nothing you said has any relevance to my comment, and is nothing more than a clumsy attempt to derail the conversation. Welcome to my very short ignore list. I don't know why you have completely gone off the rails, but life is too short to deal with people who get their talking points from Infowars.
     
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    Quit bobbing and weaving.

    You were pushing a false narrative and I called you on it.
     
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    I swear, the amount of support and cover y'all give racists is the reason for the problems in this country.

    From your racist president on down...
     
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    And you MFs can't have it both ways.

    You can't claim ANY NY Times story when your racist president calls them fake news...
     
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    Really? His president has emboldened him. *edited*

    It's what Trumpets do.
     
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    Your fear is unbelievable.

    This might be the worst personal attack I've seen on this forum. Shame on you.

     
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    Trumpets are shooting up synagogues and sending mail bombs. They killed a 97 year old...

    Then y'all talk about liberals...

    Conservative white men get bump stocks and kill 59 people. Stop your people from doing so this Charlottesville type of hate killing. Your president is basically calling for violence.
     
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    I don't think what I said was an attack. Go ahead and sound the trumpets tho..
     
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    You are the king of generalization. Every time it’s “y’all white folk”. “Y’all president”. I still have yet to see anybody defend racism on this forum and it’s been years and yet you continue this battle against nobody here because guess what? Nobody here is or has supported racism.
     
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    These conversations have gotten so dumb I don’t even participate. All I know is that people now determine what hate crimes are and considering we live in outrage culture, every damn thing is a hate crime or racially motivated, etc. nothing is dealt with logic anymore. It’s all about feelings.
     
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    Yes, saying that you fully expect a particular poster to commit murder is a personal attack. That is being removed.
     
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    Missed in all that chaos is this guy... who tried to go shoot up a historically black church but was turned away so he just settled for murdering 2 people next door for the crime of grocery shopping while African American.

    https://heavy.com/news/2018/10/gregory-bush/
     
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    Hands Brian another soap box


     
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    Isn't a domestic violence conviction reason to ban gun ownership?? How was this NUT able to acquire a firearm?
     
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    Comparing Maxine Waters and Cory Booker to the wholly owned subsidiary that is Mitch McConnell is disingenuous at best...
     
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    seems to me there are a number of organization that hate on Jews, and none of the are justified by their bigotry.
    White supremest and Nation of Islam both hold profound anti semantic beliefs.
     
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