Kobe has competition for best in the league next season.

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  1. Roaming

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    I think the way Lebron has been playing, he can now be considered as one of the best in the league. Next season wont be any less, and hes due to make it to the ECF once again next year, and Im sure hell be even better next season, if not win MVP. Im telling you guys, Kobe has competiton.
     
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    No matter what LeBron does, I still think he is considerably behind Kobe. Even with LeBron's amazing performance in games 3-5 of the ECF, and bringing team to Finals, I still rank him 4th best player in the league (behind Kobe, Duncan and Wade). Pound for pound, Kobe is way more polished, smarter, and a better all around player (scorer, defender, clutch player, etc...).
     
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    We dont know, we have to wait to see how much LeBron matures. But I do think hes surpassed Wade. Btw, hes already one of the best in the league, hes been that for the past 2 or 3 seasons.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Jun 3 2007, 03:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No matter what LeBron does, I still think he is considerably behind Kobe. Even with LeBron's amazing performance in games 3-5 of the ECF, and bringing team to Finals, I still rank him 4th best player in the league (behind Kobe, Duncan and Wade). Pound for pound, Kobe is way more polished, smarter, and a better all around player (scorer, defender, clutch player, etc...).</div>Excuse me, can you tell me one thing Wade did better than Lebron? Wade lead a team to the finals and a championship alongside one of the best centers ever to play the game. Lebron had a center that looks like he owns a delicitassen if he didnt play in the NBA. Lebron has surpassed Wade, by far.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Jun 3 2007, 03:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Excuse me, can you tell me one thing Wade did better than Lebron? Wade lead a team to the finals and a championship alongside one of the best centers ever to play the game. Lebron had a center that looks like he owns a delicitassen if he didnt play in the NBA. Lebron has surpassed Wade, by far.</div>LeBron hasn't played well in these playoffs, and while Wade had Shaq, he also had a much tougher road to the Finals than Bron does. As great as Bron was in the ECF, Wade was even better last year (30PPG on near 70% shooting through first 5 games, and that is with Shaq being single covered). In the Finals Shaq averaged only 14PPG, and role players were horrible. Wade went on to average 40PPG in last 4 games of series including 2 amazingly clutch performances to win the series.But it really isn't even about the accomplishments in the playoffs (where Wade very much surpasses LeBron), as I feel Wade is simply the better player. When I compare them, I feel Wade is the better scorer (not more talented, but smarter), better playmaker, better defender, and more clutch.But this isn't really about Wade/Bron, so bring it to the player comparisons section and I'll be glad to debate you there.
     
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    How hasnt LeBron played well?I keep telling people, LeBron is a PG at heart. He is in a class of players where he hardly never has a bad game cause if hes not shooting well, hes going to get 10+assists, getting his teammates open shots(like Jason Kidd, Magic Johnson etc.). LeBron came out last night and didnt shoot much at all because he was smart enough to realize after the 48point game, Detriot would be all over him, so he came out with a passing mentality and got 5 assists in the first qaurter. Just because LeBron doesn't get 30+ points, or only makes 5 FGs, it doesn't mean he had a bad game. Hes been a playmaker 5 of these 6 games. And the one game he wasnt he scored 48points in a 2OT, which has went down as one of the greatest playoff performaces ever.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz @ Jun 3 2007, 03:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How hasnt LeBron played well?I keep telling people, LeBron is a PG at heart. He is in a class of players where he hardly never has a bad game cause if hes not shooting well, hes going to get 10+assists, getting his teammates open shots(like Jason Kidd, Magic Johnson etc.). LeBron came out last night and didnt shoot much at all because he was smart enough to realize after the 48point game, Detriot would be all over him, so he came out with a passing mentality and got 5 assists in the first qaurter. Just because LeBron doesn't get 30+ points, or only makes 5 FGs, it doesn't mean he had a bad game. Hes been a playmaker 5 of these 6 games. And the one game he wasnt he scored 48points in a 2OT, which has went down as one of the greatest playoff performaces ever.</div>Considering how badly hurt Washington was, he shouldn't have been shooting about 43% shooting or so. He had some of his worst playoff games vs NJ, and was not good at all vs Detroit in most of the series. It doesn't matter if he is a PG at heart, his scoring is still by far the most valuable thing he offers to the team, and that was clear when you see the ends of game 1/2 and game 5.I shouldn't have said he hasn't played well, but he hasn't been great.
     
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    I think his passing is the most valuable thing. He was a playmaker last night and Cavs beat Detriot by 20. He was a scorer in game 5 and only beat them by 3. LeBron has done things that doesn't show up in the stat sheet, and things that do. Everybody knows the Cavs just didnt play that hard against the Wizards..why should they have? New Jersey, he did have bad shooting nights. But against the Pistons he played very well all series. I watched every game and even though he wasnt shooting well in some, he was getting players open, rebounding, defending, being a leader....everything your star player should do.
     
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    Lebron was the best player in the league in the 05-06 season, had an off year this year due to team USA (like pretty much everybody on team USA did), and should be back to being better than Kobe next year.And this playoffs at least shows he's more valuable than Kobe.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz @ Jun 3 2007, 03:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think his passing is the most valuable thing. He was a playmaker last night and Cavs beat Detriot by 20. He was a scorer in game 5 and only beat them by 3.</div>The only reason they got so open was because of what he did as a scorer in game 5. In game 1 & 2 his teammates were struggling yet he kept on passing and they lost. In games 3, 4 and 5 he took over the scoring load down the stretch.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>LeBron has done things that doesn't show up in the stat sheet, and things that do. Everybody knows the Cavs just didnt play that hard against the Wizards..why should they have?</div>...because it's the playoffs....<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>New Jersey, he did have bad shooting nights. But against the Pistons he played very well all series. I watched every game and even though he wasnt shooting well in some, he was getting players open, rebounding, defending, being a leader....everything your star player should do.</div>In games 1 and 2 he was just bad. I don't care what else he did....scoring 10pts in a playoff game is just horrible. In the other games he was just ok up until the 4th.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kobebryant_24OWNEDME @ Jun 3 2007, 03:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Lebron was the best player in the league in the 05-06 season, had an off year this year due to team USA (like pretty much everybody on team USA did), and should be back to being better than Kobe next year.And this playoffs at least shows he's more valuable than Kobe.</div>Wade, Howard, Bosh and Melo all had career years...how exactly did being on Team USA hurt them? And I STRONGLY disagree with Bron being the best player in the league last year.The playoffs showed that he was in the much easier conference and had a better supporting cast. The East is absolutely pitiful.
     
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    The only thing LeBron didnt do well this year he did in previous season was free throw shooting. And his stats are at the point where its going to go up and down from season to season, but hes basicly still improving.But I do agree the USA team did fatigue some players, like LeBron, Brand and even Wade to some extent. Howard, Melo, Bosh and others didnt play deep into the playoffs like some of the other players did. Btw, I dont think Melo wouldve been this good this season if he wasnt on the USA team. He built up some type of momentum and was awesome in the Summer Games, and I think it carried over to this season.
     
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    I have really been impressed by LeBron and I think he's very close to being the best player in the league. He's shown to be a great scorer, and he's a good passer too. His 7 assists lastnight did not justify his passing. A lot of the passes he made were to players who were fouled on the shot. He can rebound good as well as shown lastnight. The only thing Kobe really has up on him is defense. As far as leadership goes, and making the team better, I give the advantage to LeBron. Kobe has proven he can't win without another star on his team.And, when you say LeBron hasn't been playing this good the whole playoffs, well, the true player comes out this late in the playoffs.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrizzFanTaylor @ Jun 3 2007, 02:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I have really been impressed by LeBron and I think he's very close to being the best player in the league. He's shown to be a great scorer, and he's a good passer too. His 7 assists lastnight did not justify his passing. A lot of the passes he made were to players who were fouled on the shot. He can rebound good as well as shown lastnight. The only thing Kobe really has up on him is defense. As far as leadership goes, and making the team better, I give the advantage to LeBron. Kobe has proven he can't win without another star on his team.And, when you say LeBron hasn't been playing this good the whole playoffs, well, the true player comes out this late in the playoffs.</div>LeBron didn't have to play Phoenix in the first round. No one can beat the Suns by themselves. Plus the only thing Kobe has on LeBron is defense? Kobe is clearly the better scorer, clutch player, and I still feel he is the better leader. Plus Kobe has that killer instinct that LeBron still lacks even though he's showing more signs of developing it.
     
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    Before Wade's injury, I thought he was actually playing better than Lebron, considering his supporting cast absolutely sucked...I don't know if Lebron could be better than Kobe next year, because he didnt seem to improve at all this year. I know he's doing great stuff in the playoffs, but during the regular season his productivity actually declined...
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrizzFanTaylor @ Jun 3 2007, 04:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I have really been impressed by LeBron and I think he's very close to being the best player in the league. He's shown to be a great scorer, and he's a good passer too. His 7 assists lastnight did not justify his passing. A lot of the passes he made were to players who were fouled on the shot. He can rebound good as well as shown lastnight. The only thing Kobe really has up on him is defense. As far as leadership goes, and making the team better, I give the advantage to LeBron. Kobe has proven he can't win without another star on his team.</div>No way in hell is Bron the better scorer than Kobe...no way in HELL. He is not nearly as polished, doesn't have the jumpshot, nor does he have the smarts. Kobe is the better scorer, defender and clutch player. Bron is a better playmaker and rebounder, but he is not lightyears ahead of Kobe in either category, both of which are less important than scoring/defending.Kobe had to play the Phoenix fu*king Suns the last 2 years while Bron got to play the fu*king Wizards and Nets with more help than Kobe had. In the West you need another star. AI got to the Finals with only a decent supporting cast like Bron just did, but in the West with a better overall team and another star he couldn't push Spurs past 5 games in the 1st round. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>And, when you say LeBron hasn't been playing this good the whole playoffs, well, the true player comes out this late in the playoffs.</div>Kobe, Wade and Duncan all have shown up and played magnificent this time of year...I don't get the point.
     
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    Lebron has deffinatly improved since the beggining of the playoffs. And, I was glad to see him taking it to the hole against the Pistons and drawing fouls. I still think Gibson had a bigger factor in a couple of those games than Lebron did. But, nonetheless Lebron is deffinately stepping up and being one of the premier players in the league.
     
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    I think if LeBron's team wins and with Kobe's latest...what should you call it, then you could make a good case for LeBron. Unfortunately the Spurs will whip their asses till they're black and blue. I love LeBron, I just wish I could enjoy the playoffs but I still won't be watching. The NBA disgusts me.
     
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    And yet people still sleep on Tim Duncan who is the best player in the NBA :no1:
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Diawsome @ Jun 3 2007, 04:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And yet people still sleep on Tim Duncan who is the best player in the NBA :no1:</div>Kobe is for sure. Duncan is the best player over for this decade though....I hate Duncan, but compared to his teammates, a very great guy.
     

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