2019 NBA Draft Thread

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by BonesJones, Aug 20, 2018.

  1. hoopsjock

    hoopsjock Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2018
    Messages:
    16,302
    Likes Received:
    26,279
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Business Owner
    Location:
    North Plains
    If I'm getting picks 1 and 2 I think I'd go all-in on a rebuild. What if they got Jaylen Brown back (and salary filler) in the Boston deal along with the Memphis pick which is top-6 protected next year and unprotected in 2021? Boston could be desperate if Kyrie bounces.
     
    dviss1 and PtldPlatypus like this.
  2. hoopsjock

    hoopsjock Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2018
    Messages:
    16,302
    Likes Received:
    26,279
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Business Owner
    Location:
    North Plains
    In my opinion this draft is kinda weird. The top 3 are pretty clear but 4 to about 30 are mostly pretty even. I've seen some guys that are lottery picks in some mocks and 2nd rounders in others. Drafts like that aren't necessarily going to give you a star but what it does do is give teams like Portland picking in the 20's a chance to land a player that could be just as good as most picked ahead of them.

    A salary dump at the draft isn't happening but I like your mindset for the type of moves that may be available. Getting a Covington lessens the burden of Hood leaving. Getting an Olynyk lessens the burden of Kanter leaving. Getting a PF like Saric or whomever allows us to let Aminu walk.
     
    BBert likes this.
  3. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2008
    Messages:
    31,952
    Likes Received:
    40,230
    Trophy Points:
    113
    That'd be a pretty crazy haul for Jrue, I'd think. But sure, if Boston would be willing to part with him, then yeah, you give that a shot. Brown seemed best at the 2 anyway; I'm sure he'd be an amazing fit alongside Morant. Maybe finagle Robert Williams too instead of the pick...
     
    dviss1 likes this.
  4. Pinwheel1

    Pinwheel1 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2008
    Messages:
    21,008
    Likes Received:
    13,564
    Trophy Points:
    113
    So the Knicks pick at #3 seems to be better than the Laker's pick at #4. How about the rest of their young assets for AD?

    Knicks:

    Emmanuel Mudiay $4,294,479 $5,758,897 $0 $0 $0
    Frank Ntilikina $4,155,720 $4,855,800 $6,176,578 $8,326,027 $0
    Dennis Smith $3,819,960 $4,463,640 $5,686,677 $7,705,447 $0
    Kevin Knox $3,744,840 $4,385,640 $4,594,680 $5,853,622 $7,931,658
    Allonzo Trier $3,551,100

    Lakers:
    Lonzo Ball $7,461,960 $8,719,320 $11,003,782 $14,359,935 $0
    Brandon Ingram $5,757,120 $7,265,485 $9,481,458
    Moritz Wagner $1,764,240 $2,066,040 $2,164,680 $3,898,588 $5,727,026
    Kyle Kuzma $1,689,840 $1,974,600 $3,562,178 $5,282,711 $0
    Josh Hart $1,655,160 $1,934,160 $3,491,159 $5,236,738 $0
     
  5. dviss1

    dviss1 Emcee Referee

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2011
    Messages:
    29,346
    Likes Received:
    27,156
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I'd rather have the Lakers players than the Knicks. :dunno:
     
    Reep likes this.
  6. TorturedBlazerFan

    TorturedBlazerFan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2018
    Messages:
    19,824
    Likes Received:
    23,356
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Baby Daddy
    Location:
    Chasing my kids
    I wouldnt want either...
     
    dviss1 and hoopsjock like this.
  7. Rastapopoulos

    Rastapopoulos Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2008
    Messages:
    37,387
    Likes Received:
    21,979
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Ballin'
    What do people think of Eric Paschall?
    Last year my obsession was Jalen Brunson, so I guess this continues a Villanova theme, but it's entirely coincidental, because I don't watch college basketball. I just looked at the players projected to be drafted and tried to find the guy who was most similar to a Draymond Green/PJ Tucker type, and it sounds like it's this guy. My philosophy with the low first round picks is to get a solid contributor, hence picking experienced seniors with excellent track records. Obviously that's not Olshey's preference, given that he preferred Simons, and it looks like he may have been right. But I'm going to stick with my strategy.
     
  8. hoopsjock

    hoopsjock Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2018
    Messages:
    16,302
    Likes Received:
    26,279
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Business Owner
    Location:
    North Plains
    Yeah I think both of those groups of players are mostly crap, although I do think Josh Hart would be a good "Danny Green" type player on a contending team but not on a rebuilding team. Because of that thinking I'd have to go with the team that offered me the higher pick which would be the Knicks in this case.
     
    TorturedBlazerFan likes this.
  9. dviss1

    dviss1 Emcee Referee

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2011
    Messages:
    29,346
    Likes Received:
    27,156
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I'd take Kyle Kuzma, Hart (even though I can't stand him after the SL Final), and Wagner.

    Those are solid cogs.
     
    TorturedBlazerFan likes this.
  10. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2008
    Messages:
    31,952
    Likes Received:
    40,230
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Kuz is overrated. However, I could definitely see Wagner pairing nicely with Zion.
     
    TorturedBlazerFan likes this.
  11. hoopsjock

    hoopsjock Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2018
    Messages:
    16,302
    Likes Received:
    26,279
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Business Owner
    Location:
    North Plains
    What I'd do is take Ball, Kuz, all those guys and then trade most of them individually for different players. They would have more trade value than the Knicks guys.

    I keep coming back to the difference between pick 3 and 4 in this particular draft though is pretty big.
     
    dviss1 likes this.
  12. CupWizier

    CupWizier Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2009
    Messages:
    11,265
    Likes Received:
    7,664
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    retired
    That's a pretty steep price to pay as Barret at one time was also considered a possible #1 pick. I wouldn't take on Parson's 25 mil next year just to move up one spot.
     
  13. CupWizier

    CupWizier Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2009
    Messages:
    11,265
    Likes Received:
    7,664
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    retired
    I think the pick is dealt this year as we don't need another late first round player.
     
  14. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

    Joined:
    May 7, 2015
    Messages:
    44,368
    Likes Received:
    38,405
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Vancouver, WA
    I POSTED THIS A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, IT DIDN'T GET MUCH ATTENTION. STILL IS THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN GET AD, KYRIE, AND KD. I WANT OPINIONS ON THIS.

    Was just looking at this and realize the Knicks could possibly land all three with some crafty cap maneuvering.

    The gist of this is that New York hangs onto just enough salary to trade for AD (no more than 125% of his $27M next year and completes a trade for him after signing KD and Kyrie. Lets say the Knicks have 5 players making $22M. Compared to AD ($27M) and 4 roster holds (apx. $3.4M), New York would save $8.4M in free agency by waiting to trade for AD after they sign their guys (since they simply have to match enough salary in order to acquire AD).

    Or in simpler terms, the Knicks will have more cap space to sign KD and Kyrie by having 5 players splitting $22M (which they can later trade for AD) than if they trade for AD and have $27M + Four ~$1M roster holds.

    So the Knicks landed the #3 pick.

    TRIMMING DOWN THE ROSTER INTO ONE AD TRADE PACKAGE

    - The apx. MAX rookie wage for the #3 pick is $7.8M). To make this work well, The Knicks would draft and sign R.J. Barrett for $7.65M, then wait 30 days until he's tradeable.
    - Trade Frank Ntilikina for cap space and pick(s)
    - Accept the team options for Damyeon Dotson and Allonzo Trier

    THE MATH

    - Essentially, $21.6M is barely enough to match AD's salary. The closer New York is to having that amount of active salary, combined with the most players in that package (to reduce roster holds) is what the goal is.
    - Barrett, Smith, Knox, Trier, and Robinson would equal apx. $21.6M in salary.
    - The Knicks would have $7.4M in dead money (Joakim Noah, Lance Thomas)
    - And they'd have $5.95M in roster holds (12 - 7 x .85M [Rookie Scale Salary])
    - That equals roughly $34.95M against the salary cap.
    - With a projected cap of $109M, that means the Knicks would have $74M available to spend.
    - The MAX is apx. $38.15M for KD and $32.7M for Kyrie. That equals $70.85M in salary.
    - Essentially, $21.6M is barely enough to match AD's salary. The closer New York is to having that amount of active salary, combined with the most players in that package (to reduce roster holds) is what the goal is.

    THE SIGNINGS

    - Therefore, the Knicks could sign Kyrie and KD to MAX contracts (which could be helped by an in principal agreed upon trade for AD that's on hold [We saw this with the Wiggins for Love trade a while ago].
    - The Knicks would have $4.85M left over in cap space after those MAX contracts and 2 roster holds are whipped out. They'd also have the Room Exception with which to fill out their roster.
    - The Knicks would likely sign a fringe-starting PF/C with the remaining $4.85M before making the trade.

    THE TRADE

    - A month after New York signs R.J. Barret, they trade him, Dennis Smith Jr, Kevin Knox, Allonzo Trier, Mitchell Robinson, 2021 NYK 1st, 2021 DAL 1st, 2023 NYK 1st, & 2023 DAL 1sts for Anthony Davis.

    THE RESULT

    - New York would have a full starting lineup with Kyrie Irving, Damyean Dotson, Kevin Durant, Anthony Davis, and whatever big they signed. They'd have the room exception and minimum contracts to fill out their bench.

    NEW ORLEA NS
    - Would make Zion happier by getting his guy in Barrett there with him. They'd have a good collection of young talent (especially if they traded Jrue as well) and would have a good collection of future picks.

    Smith Jr. / Jackson
    Holiday / Moore
    Barrett / Hill
    Williamson / Diallo
    Okafor / ?

    That's a terrific start to a rebuild.
     
  15. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

    Joined:
    May 7, 2015
    Messages:
    44,368
    Likes Received:
    38,405
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Vancouver, WA
    @hoopsjock Let me know if the above is possible.
     
  16. hoopsjock

    hoopsjock Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2018
    Messages:
    16,302
    Likes Received:
    26,279
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Business Owner
    Location:
    North Plains
    Well, right off the bat it's flawed because it assumes that both teams would be willing to wait. Since NY couldn't possibly know if they can sign either Durant or Kyrie that is way too big of an assumption to make at the draft. New Orleans isn't going to wait to see if that's possible while other offers from the Lakers or Celtics could happen right away with no risk of them falling apart.

    This is why I keep telling you to stop turning every trade into the most complicated ones ever, lol.
     
    Wizard Mentor likes this.
  17. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

    Joined:
    May 7, 2015
    Messages:
    44,368
    Likes Received:
    38,405
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Vancouver, WA
    New Orleans waited until the off-season, so why wouldn't they wait another 30 days after the draft, especially since things can be agreed to in principal? The Celtics couldn't make a trade until July, and would likely to see how Kyrie plays out before making a trade, so it's literally in New Orleans best interest to wait (and they were patient to begin with, so again, why wouldn't they?)

    There's no risk of a deal with Boston falling apart because it's an either/or with Boston and New York. Boston won't trade for AD if Kyrie leaves, and if Kyrie stays, then Boston/New York would make the trade immediately and there wouldn't be a wait.

    New York could also make this happen by not signing Barrett right away, and by simply trading his draft rights while including Ntilikina and the picked up options on Dotson and Ellenson. So they wouldn't have that 30-day grace period going into late July. If New York has the best offer, New Orleans isn't going to worry about the timing of it.

    So I don't think those concerns are exactly valid. New York has a way to get all three by being creative, and I think New Orleans would definitely prioritize that trade package over the others.

    I was more asking for your opinion on the math, and if it 100% worked under the CBA.
     
  18. Fez Hammersticks

    Fez Hammersticks スーパーバッド Zero Cool

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2008
    Messages:
    28,881
    Likes Received:
    9,530
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Phone Psychic
    Location:
    The Deep State, US and A.
    Tacko Fall:

    7'7"
    10'2" standing reach
    289 lbs (7 bf%)
    8'2" wingspan


    Jesus tapdancing Christ.
     
    rotary111 likes this.
  19. hoopsjock

    hoopsjock Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2018
    Messages:
    16,302
    Likes Received:
    26,279
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Business Owner
    Location:
    North Plains
    New Orleans main problem isn't waiting to complete a trade, the problem is what happens if Kyrie and KD don't sign with NY and then AD doesn't want to go there and tells them he'll sit out a year? There are literally around a hundred variables that could happen to screw the trade up, it's completely different than a trade that is agreed upon at the draft but executed in the new league year. The Lakers could make the trade right now without any risk of it falling through.

    Speaking of which, that is why it doesn't make sense what you said about Boston. They actually could agree to a trade at the draft that went through went the new league calendar started unlike with NY. In fact doing so might be the difference between Kyrie staying or leaving.

    Your paragraph about NY trading Barrett's draft rights changes the whole dynamic of the trade. You made it seem in your original post that Barrett's money needed to be included to both trade for AD and squeeze out the max contracts of Kyrie and KD too. There is a reason why trades rarely occur that aren't agreed to at the draft involving 1st round picks. The Wiggins one is the only one I can even recall that was made after the new league year started and before the start of the season. That particular trade was an outlier because of LeBron re-signing with Cleveland in between and him wanting Love.

    I'll say it again, it's too complicated to work out the way you describe it. The only way it would work is after free agency if AD is still on the Pelicans and NY has done things exactly like you described.
     
  20. hoopsjock

    hoopsjock Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2018
    Messages:
    16,302
    Likes Received:
    26,279
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Business Owner
    Location:
    North Plains
    There is another way to get Kyrie, KD, and AD. The 1st two could take less than the max if they cared about winning and joining up.
     

Share This Page