They aren't 'Young' anymore

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  1. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Perhaps you all missed what his point was?

    The OP didn't say that because we're old, we're in a bad spot, or that the team needs to be torn down and rebuilt, or anything negative.

    The OP said that because the team isn't really "young" anymore, now is the time for the FO to "go for it".

    Rather than focus on the "numbers" or the "inclusions"--what do you think about the actual point being made? Do you disagree that this is the time to "go for it"? Do you think we should still be focusing on "building"/"developing"? Something else entirely?

    Can we perhaps focus slightly less on the trees and actually talk about the forest?
     
  2. TBpup

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    Apparently, a number of posters can't read. So let me help. (serious sarcasm)

    "For years this has been a 'young' team that didn't play young (hardly ran at all) but there is a certain feeling about a young team that is growing, developing and getting better. That will still apply to some players on the roster but for the first time in years, depending on who comes back, the Blazers could have multiple players in their 30's."

    Where is the omission when the words "some", "depending on who comes back", and "could" are used. #unbelievable

    Rant away in response. It is time for a break from here anyhow.
     
  3. TBpup

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  4. Orion Bailey

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    But don't you ALWAYS want to be going for it? I get the OP's point. But the road in which he got there tossed many people off track.

    Sorry, didn't know it was wrong to agree with the bigger picture, but also point out the false narratives in how it was painted.

    Also don't know why its so hard to just say, "you know, I should have included them as well", and then maybe there wouldn't be so many posts pointing it out?


    We aren't all rookies here. Post false info and you get called out for it around here, regardless of the bigger picture.

    Happens to all of us, but some just refuse to admit any wrong doings on anything.... Its kinda funny really.
     
  5. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    No. There are a lot of teams in situations in which a "go for it" trade or signing would make no sense.

    Sure, probably easy for someone to respond that way. I'd like to think I would have as well.

    All I'm saying is that when we (as a board) focus so much on the details of a post rather than the overarching premise, we often miss out on the opportunity to have an actual discussion.
     
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    oldmangrouch persona non grata

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    You want to really make heads explode? Point out years of NBA experience. I've had people get upset because I pointed out that guys like Leonard and Hark are NBA vets.
     
  7. Orion Bailey

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    I think part of it is that there is so much opinion based BS tossed around out here, that people are tired of it. Not saying T's was, but when someone uses numbers that aren't accurate, people want to call it out, because often this misinformation leads the discussion into a completely false projection based on the foundation being inaccurate.

    I really Like T and many of his posts. I think this one was not completely thought out and could have easily said the same thing with accurate numbers and information, thus garnering a much more positive reaction.
    But On a site where people are regularly trying to push their opinion as facts, people are going to make sure the facts are accurate when they are presented. And then to double down instead of just saying, oh yeah, let me go fix that, it came off as kinda, well....

    Not sure of the right word, but it came off as never being wrong.
     
  8. illmatic99

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    It is a valid point, I said as much in my very first response. Neil keeps throwing around the fact that we are one of the youngest rosters in the league in every press conference. We all know that we aren't. But the notion that I disagree with is that Dame et al might be on the downside of his career (" That window is about 2-3 years left for Dame and a year or two more for some of those right behind him").

    That's just flat out false. And to support this narrative (it absolutely is one-- i don't know why this word has a negative connotation. This is an opinion based community. more narratives should be encouraged) with ages (wrong) and leaving out Nurk and Collins who are major contributors who aren't close to their primes is just lazy.
     
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    oh for chrissakes, if you actually read the OP and considered the full context, there wasn't any real negative agenda to the post. People need to stop trying to be the 'negative-take' police and over-defending Portland's status-quo.

    bottom line is the core players for Portland are generally in the early years of their primes with a couple qualifying as young. Personally, I'm tired of the focus on whether Portland is the 3rd youngest or 4th youngest team or whatever the fuck. It's not significant and doesn't indicate much of anything for the future. Dame and CJ are in the what you see is what you get stage. They are close to their ceilings and that limits a lot of Portland's upside considering how much they dominate the offense

    wait, did Duckworth speak Russian? I tell you what, if that Drexler team had a 25 year old Sabonis on it there would have never been a Bulls dynasty. The Blazers would have 3 or 4 more championships
     
  10. dviss1

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    The point, on it's face, is invalid because of the skewed numbers and omissions of contracted players. :dunno:

    To answer the OP:

    We're still young.
     
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    Remember how Roy was a big star until he was 35? Oh...right....

    That's a great example of why you have to go for it when your star is in his prime. Injuries turned Roy from future HOFer to out-of-the-league at a painfully young age. Don't take the future for granted!
     
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    Has any of our players ever released their birth certificates?
     
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  13. illmatic99

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    OK.

    Outside of Neil, every single person in the forum understands that we aren't truly young. But Dame isn't Chris Paul either. And Evan Turner won't even be on the roster at age 32.


     
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  15. PtldPlatypus

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    Ehh...even considering the apparent error in ages in the OP, I think it's completely reasonable to suggest that the window of Dame being at the level of ability necessary for him to lead a team to a championship is about 3 more seasons. He'll be 32 going into the 22-23 season. How many championships have been won be teams led by players 32 or older, when that player was not the GOAT at his position?
     
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  16. HailBlazers

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    Are you saying you want to meet at Mt. Tabor?
     
  17. illmatic99

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    I have a counter.

    Does anyone here believe Dame can be the best player on a championship team ever in his career? I think a conference finals (maybe a finals run if things break right) is the absolute ceiling for a Dame-led team. I think the run this season revealed as much. Point guards struggle this late in the playoffs unless you have the absolute best fits around you (Draymond, etc) or are GOAT shooters.
     
  18. PtldPlatypus

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    Excellent question, which I think is probably deserving of its own thread. Especially considering his presumably soon-to-be-offered supermax.

    The current incarnation of the team is based on the assumption that he is good enough to lead a team to a title, with the right surrounding pieces, and I imagine this thread is based on that assumption as well.
     
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    Painful to think about. Don't expect a thoughtful discussion on the issue, as the Dame fans seem to outnumber the Blazer fans around here.
     
  20. TorturedBlazerFan

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    Ok, no team, NO team has ever won with 1 good player and not good fits around them, it doesn't matter if it's Dame, Michael Jordan, Steph Curry, Lebron James... Yes a Dame led team can win if they get the right pieces around him. Just like Steph would not have won without the right Pieces around him, or MJ, Lebron, or Kareem.
    I think it's weird when this argument is made like oh you can't win with a Dame led team without good fits around them, who has won without good fits around them in the history of the NBA?
     

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