Leading Blazer Playoff scorer

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  1. swish3

    swish3 Well-Known Member

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    I agree with you that he is working on placement and being a rim defender. This is where experience, coaching, and Zach can help him use his size and strength to improve. In WCF Game 4 he did a great job of taking the charge and getting a foul call. Yes he was doing his job when the forwards failed to cover the drive into the paint, so that was not his mistake. He will improve, and there are a number of indicators that he can help us win as he continues to gain Playoff game experience and achievements.
     
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    It doesn't matter what you supposedly "think" about. If he's hot stuff, he should be in high demand. He isn't, period. Maybe, because everyone else is right, and you are wrong.

    As for your question, it's a complete non sequitur.
     
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    swish3 Well-Known Member

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    The fact is that Meyers scored 5 of 6 swish3s in the 1st half, and scored 25 points with efficient 83.3% shooting of 3s and 2s. Steph Curry, at times called the greatest swish3 shooter, scored only 5 of 7 of his swish3s and needed 5 FT to reach his 25 point first half. In the swish3 game, Meyers outperformed Steph, and he scored as many points as the GSW leader. That is un-excelled hot shooting! You can't find an answer to my question.
     
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    He’s basically this team’s Travis Outlaw.
     
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    I get it. This is Leonard's agent. Clear as fucking day.
     
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    swish3 Well-Known Member

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    No, you don't! When you refuse to recognize the facts and attack a Blazer fan, you are de facto a Blazer anti-fan. To be a Blazer fan, cheer the hot hand shooting and look for ways to win!

    Can you find an NBA player who scored swish3s more efficiently than 83.3% in the Playoffs?
     
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    When we took ML over Steve Adams I was unhappy ( I think I remember that correctly)but I figured the front office knew better then me. Which is why I work on airplanes and am not a Basketball talent scout or GM. I rooted for Meyers for 3 years and he sucked for 3 years Hardens defense was better than his then his contract year came up and he started to show improvement and he got injured and sucked ever since. Until this year. His last 2 games are the product of GSW letting him do what he wanted and he made them pay for that. As far as I am concerned he has earned the right to play out his contract and battle for the starting spot until Nurk gets back. I think it will put your theory to the test and unfortunately I think your posts will be fewer far between as he himself will prove you wrong. But like I said earlier I work on airplanes and I am not a coach, a talent scout, nor did I sleep in a Holiday Inn if he becomes a 7 ft. clone of Steph Currey I will be the first to rip off all my clothes and go screaming into the night that you were right and I was all wrong and buy a Meyers Jersey.
     
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    swish3 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks Borim69, I appreciate your open mind and willingness to recognize that Meyers in fact was one better than Steph with swish3s in WCF Game 4 first half. I imagine that Meyers will continue to bring energy, poise, and teamwork facilitation that makes us better next season. I am a pilot, and do appreciate aircraft mechanics, checklists, and always working to improve as a mindset.

    Meyers is continuing to improve on defense, rebouinding, boxing out, screening, and getting open shots for teammates. Let's look for him to continue improving next year and the Championship!
     
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    The things is @swish3 you labeled this thread "Leading Blazer Playoff scorer". That is factually incorrect. If you labeled the thread "Leading Blazer Playoff 3 pt percentage" I wouldn't have a problem with it. But you didn't.
     
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    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Leonard was drafted a year before Adams. We took CJ over Adams (and Giannis, and Gobert...)
     
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    @wizenheimer can you give me a compare between Lillard and CJ Playoff stats please?
     
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    PER: CJ 17.9....Dame 20.7
    TS%: CJ .527....Dame .566
    points/shot: CJ 1.13....Dame 1.30
    FT Rate: CJ .160....Dame .345
    assist rate: CJ 16.8%....Dame 28.9%
    turnover rate: CJ 7.4%....Dame 13.6%
    winshare/48: CJ .079....Dame 1.20
    box plus/minus: CJ 1.2....Dame 4.8
    value over replacement: CJ 0.5....Dame 1.1

    offensive rating: CJ 108....Dame 111
    defensive rating: CJ 115....Dame 113

    GameScore by series (Points + 0.4FGM – 0.7FGA – 0.4(FTA – FTM) + 0.7OREB + 0.3DREB + STL + 0.7AST + 0.7BLK – 0.4PF – TO - rather like PER):

    OKC: CJ 16.2....Dame 23.8
    Denver: CJ 17.3....Dame 17.3
    Golden State: CJ 12.6....Dame 15.2
     
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    Its one game. The dude couldnt find the court for 3/4th of the playoffs.

    Let it go. Hes not good enough. One game that was meaningless. Thats it.

    He sucks. Deal with it.
     
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    swish3 Well-Known Member

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    Actually, Meyers scored 30 points which was the leading scorer, in addition to the exceptional 5 of 6 swish3 scoring. Both are Championship quality accomplishments!
     
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    He was the leading scorer for the Blazers in game 4. That is not what the thread title says.
     
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    swish3 Well-Known Member

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    Strenuus, you are consistently negative and unreasonably incorrect. Meyers has had several outstanding games in which he scored more than 75% swish3s, including in tough highly contested Playoff games. While you maintain your bias against Meyers on this forum, you are failing to recognize important contributions and steadily improving performance. If Dame, CJ, Rodney, and Seth had passed to an open Meyers in the 4th Q of Game 4, we might have won it. Looking for the catch and shoot game plan for Meyers on the arc should be how we beat GSW next season when Nurk is back and the 2 Centers can together score 30+ points per game and set up open shots for Dame, CJ, Rodney, and others.
     
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    OK. You are correct. I am focused on the remarkable performance in Game 4.

    Edit: Please see my original post which shows that in 3 important statistics, Meyers did in fact lead all Blazers for the composite of Playoff games. While his Game 4 was outstanding, the fact stands undiminished that he led shooting efficiency in these intense Playoff games.
     
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    Thank you very much, i had a conversation with a friend (okc fan) who hates Lillard and said CJ was the best Blazer in the Playoffs, haha i will kill him with these stats :D
     
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    It's nice that he had a good game. He should be very proud.
     
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    Now that the Raptors are the 2019 Champions and all statistics are final, the extraordinary Meyers accomplishments of leading six categories for the composite Playoffs, scoring 25 points in 16 min on GSW's court, and leading Blazer scoring with 30 points in that Game 4 emerge as beyond what any NBA player achieved in the 2019 Playoffs!

    The list of leading statistics for Meyers in the 2019 Playoffs includes the following, which add on to his NBA swish3 Playoff 10 or more (10 of 13, which is 76.9%) record from 2014-2015.
    14 of 33 (42.4%) swish3s
    34 of 65 (52.3%) FG
    eFG% of 63.1%
    WS/48 of 0.154
    TS% of 61.6
    These are impressive numbers not achieved by other Blazers, and the limited sample outplaying of GSW in WCF Game 4 shows the plan for winning the NBA Championship next year. Not even Kawhi or Kyle or any of the Raptors in winning the NBA Championship achieved the 5 of 6 swish3 scoring produced in those 16 min by Meyers!

    The 2019 Playoffs have shown the path to the Championship that is available to the Blazers for the next season, as we have the elements identified that can beat GSW and TOR. The solution depends on optimizing Blazer talent, gameplans that keep high intensity play constant throughout the game (with sufficient substitutions), moving the ball, motion off-ball, and increasing the number of passes that provide catch and shoot and cuts to the basket.

    Starting Meyers at Center (as in WCF Game 4) until Nurk returns, and alternating Nurk and Meyers using gameplans that feature running parts of the offense through the high post with Dame-Meyers or Dame-Nurk PNRs will produce scoring a reliable 36+ points from the Center position. Enes should be used as backup to Meyers who should be relied on for high efficiency scoring, excellent screening and passing, further developed court vision assists, spacing, rebounds, and team cohesion. Zach and one or more enhanced Forwards will add advanced passing options to counter the double teams of the Guards, and the continuing progression to the Championship will continue! The past year was a major step forward that continues the steady march to being 2020 NBA Champions!
     

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