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  1. riverman

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    I certainly hope so...if Chief walks or we don't match his bird rights, I'd offer him Chief's current money.
     
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    https://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/...n-the-trail-blazers-rotation-next-season.html

    Where does he see himself as a starter, as a power forward or center?

    “Not sure. Right now I think it’s good for the team that I can play a little bit of both, but obviously to get to that starting position it’s going to have to be one or the other. I think if I do put on a little more weight I think that five position will be a good spot for me. I like playing the five personally because I’m involved in everything, especially defensively — almost all the pick-and-rolls are with the five man, I like to be involved defensively and impacting the ball and stuff. Personally I would like to play a five but we’ll see.”

    I go back and fourth on this. I want him to be at PF because I want him to fit next to Nurk. But I agree with Zach, he is more involved when he is at center.
    But if he does gain weight and he can fill in at center until Nurk is healthy and that is where he wants to play....maybe we do not sign Kanter. We trade Meyers (Who I think has value even at 11 million per) and our first for cap space. ET would be optimal to trade but a little harder without taking back a contract. Then we sign Hood instead.
     
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  3. hoopsjock

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    The problem is that Stotts seemingly refused to give the Collins/Nurk pairing much of a chance to see how it would work. I still don't understand why he wouldn't go to that more throughout the season.
     
  4. B-Roy

    B-Roy If it takes months

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    Zach has always looked better as a 5 to me. When he’s playing 4 he’s often out on the perimeter guarding some stretch 4. That’s not his strength.
     
  5. B-Roy

    B-Roy If it takes months

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    We cannot offer Kanter (or Hood) more than the tax-MLE which is about 5.5 million. And even then we can only sign one of them.
     
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    We can offer Hood $4.15 million. Kanter is either minimum, MLE, or nothing.
     
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    And if we trade Meyers and our 1st for a 2nd? Is that enough for the larger MLE? How much cap do we have to clear for the 9 mil MLE?
     
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    B-Roy If it takes months

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    Pretty sure we can also offer the 5.5 to Hood. But you’re right we can offer the min MLE to Kanter and 4.15 to Hood. A preposterous contract but maybe he loves us.
     
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    Yes, I was more replying the the part where you said we could only sign one.

    No team has cap space at the draft to do this. I doubt a team would agree to use up cap space on a trade like this before free agency starts either. More likely we'd have to offer a 2020 1st to clear a contract to teams that strike out in free agency.

    Answering your question is tricky though. Using the Full-MLE gets us hard capped. The hard capped amount is going to be roughly $138 million (numbers are based off a $109 million salary cap so could change if that number is different).

    Blazers currently have $126,000,152 in guaranteed salaries with 10 of the 14 roster spots covered.

    The Full-MLE is expected to be $9,426,000. So lets say we signed Hood or Kanter to that. Our new guaranteed salary would be $135,426,152 with 11 guys.

    The minimum contract is expected to be $897,158. If we signed the remaining 3 players to minimum contracts the 3 would add up to $2,691,474. That would make our total guaranteed salary at $138,117,626. Depending on what the final numbers are that may be just BARELY doable or just barely too much without any trades. We could only keep one of Kanter, Hood, or Curry for that amount and the other 2 of those three plus Aminu and Layman would all have to be renounced and gone. We'd basically have to sign 3 undrafted rookie free agents as the final 3 players. Plus we'd only have 14 players and if someone else besides Nurk got hurt we'd be pretty screwed. Even in trades we'd have to bring back less than going out.

    So back to answering your question, trading Meyers or Harkless without anything coming back clears up plenty of space. We could probably re-sign Aminu and/or Layman with that savings or use the Bi-Annual Exception ($3,619,000) to bring in another free agent. We'd still be hard capped we'd just have more room.

    Of course if Kanter just signed the Tax-MLE and Hood the $4.15 million then we can go as far over the cap as Jody would allow us to.
     
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    So because Meyers got 6 off in one half, against a defense leaving him wide open, you think he can shoot 12 a game even though Steoh Curry, the guy with the best ability to get his 3pt shot off, cant even do that?

    Lol.
     
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    I was calling for that like all season. I have reservations about Zach, but whether he thinks he’s a center or not I actually think he is best when he’s got a bigger play out there with him.
     
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    The point is that in the first half alone, Meyers scored 5 of 6 vs Steph shooting 5 of 7. That was because in the 1st half, Dame passed to Meyers on the arc and he was making 83.3%. If Dame, CJ, and Rodney had continued to pass to Meyers who was open on the arc in the 2nd half, the additional 6 swish3 attempts and scoring another 15 points was possible, and might have won the game!

    For this season, Basketball-reference shows that Steph attempted a maximum of 20 and Klay attempted a maximum of 13 swish3 attempts in one game.

    Edit. And Dame attempted 18 and CJ attempted 14 swish3s in one game.
     
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    @BonesJones I hope you have more stamina than I do dealing with these idiotic posts.
     
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    The point is that Meyers shot 3s at a volume that isnt sustainable over a larger sample size. If you have a mmbag of 10 red marbles and 10 blue marbles, drawing a red marble once doesnt mean you should expect to be able to draw a red marble every single time. If the maximum drawn in a row is 5 reds, then you shouldnt expect to be able to average 5 reds in a row every time you decide to draw 5 red marbles.

    The point is that Meyers cant average 12 3pt attempts per game on a night-in, night-out basis, because not even Steph can... even though Steph has the ability to get up a much higher volume of 3s than Meyers because of his range, quick release, and ability to shoot off the dribble.
     
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    Ignoring the source, do you agree with him that Meyers/Collins/pick would be an overpay for Aaron Gordon?
     
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    It's just funny because nobody would post my Tweets in here. Nobody would post your Tweets in here. Thats essentially the same thing.

    And no, I wouldnt do that. Collins is almost as good as Gordon and has more room for growth. Hes also much cheaper at the moment. I wouldnt trade Collins for him straight up.
     
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    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Someone in here would have to follow you first.

    Technically, Marang is now a media member, appearing on NBCSNW and being paid to cover the Blazers, so his tweets probably are given a tad more weight than yours or mine. But I understand where you're coming from.

    Personally, if I have an interesting/relevant thought about the Blazers, I'm going to post it in here before I tweet it. If I have an interesting tweet about the Blazers, I'll probably post it in here before anyone else can anyway.
     
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    I wouldn't do that. Heck I would probably hesitate to trade ET and our 1st for Gordon. Okay, that might be an exaggeration but should tell you how little I think of Gordon.
     

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