Blazers: Better Before vs. After July 1st? (*Poll*)

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by ABM, Jul 4, 2019.

?

Are The Blazers Better Before or After July 1st?

  1. Better Before

    3 vote(s)
    2.9%
  2. Better After

    70 vote(s)
    66.7%
  3. About The Same

    5 vote(s)
    4.8%
  4. Still Too Early To Determine

    27 vote(s)
    25.7%
  1. BBert

    BBert Weasels Ripped My Flesh

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2008
    Messages:
    26,326
    Likes Received:
    19,817
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Selfless Public Servant
    Location:
    South Blazerlandia
    Some have argued his shooting will improve with cleaner looks resulting from Dame, CJ, and even Whiteside opening up the floor for him.

    I sure hope so. I'd like to see him in the 36-38 percent range.
     
    HailBlazers likes this.
  2. Mediocre Man

    Mediocre Man Mr. SportsTwo

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2008
    Messages:
    42,643
    Likes Received:
    24,141
    Trophy Points:
    113
    ON PAPER

    Out
    Kanter
    Leonard
    Aminu
    Harkless
    Turner
    Layman
    Curry

    In
    Whiteside
    Tolliver
    Herzonjia
    Little
    Bazemore
    Dahm (fingers crossed)

    Starters... healthy
    Nurk = Nurk
    Aminu <? Zach
    Harkless < Bazemore
    CJ = CJ
    Dame = Dame

    So maybe better

    Bench
    Kanter = Whiteside
    Zach > Tolliver
    ET = Hezonja
    Hood = Hood
    Curry > Simons

    Slight edge last year

    So on paper... about the same
     
  3. Wizard Mentor

    Wizard Mentor Wizard Mentor

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2008
    Messages:
    13,851
    Likes Received:
    13,649
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Master of Xen Foro
    Location:
    La Grande, OR
    What does "can't play point" look like to you? Turnovers?
     
  4. TorturedBlazerFan

    TorturedBlazerFan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2018
    Messages:
    19,824
    Likes Received:
    23,356
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Baby Daddy
    Location:
    Chasing my kids
    Struggles getting the team into its sets, struggles making the correct reads, turnovers, good at setting up team mates (getting them the ball in the right spots), knowing when to look for his own offense, etc. I mean there is A LOT to being a good PG, I don't expect perfection or anything but it sounds like Simons has played the two most of his life, so it could be a hard transition, it could be easy, I don't know.
     
    oldmangrouch likes this.
  5. BBert

    BBert Weasels Ripped My Flesh

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2008
    Messages:
    26,326
    Likes Received:
    19,817
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Selfless Public Servant
    Location:
    South Blazerlandia
    Not making me hold my breath every time he touches the ball for starters.

    Probably Aminu light on defense -- I think there's a big learning curve there. But he won't be lacking for effort.

    On offense I expect he will be more under control, better ball handler, better at getting his own shot, and more of a cutter and slasher. If he picks up the offense quickly, he should surpass Aminu on the offensive side by mid season.

    That is, if he even plays. Which he probably won't.

    Se you next season, Nas. :cheers:
     
    Sedatedfork likes this.
  6. blazerfan11

    blazerfan11 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 11, 2019
    Messages:
    9,342
    Likes Received:
    9,485
    Trophy Points:
    113
    They're about the same (hopefully). Nurkic out, Whiteside in. I think people will be disappointed when it's found that "fit" is just a buzzword for a different bunch of underwhelming role players.
    You can tell pretty quickly when you see them play. Of course there are different levels of PGs in the league.
    What I would look for is ball handling first of all. If you can move the ball upcourt easily with a defender on you, you've got the minimum. That means not turning the ball over while you're not passing.

    Damian Lillard led the team in turnovers last season, but he also led the team in assists, so you have to look at assist to turnover ratio. Lillard's was 2.5. Evan Turner (2nd in assists) was 2.4
    Rookie Trae Young was 2.1, and Luka Doncic was 1.76 .

    Then of course there's defense. That could be his biggest challenge.
     
    HailBlazers and Wizard Mentor like this.
  7. Pinwheel1

    Pinwheel1 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2008
    Messages:
    21,066
    Likes Received:
    13,609
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I agree about the starters. I kind of like the "combinations" of this new bench better though. Just too early to know for sure.
    But I like having 4 potentially pretty good 3 pt shooters on the court with Whiteside.
    Plus there is the unknown Skal question mark. But since we are guessing, I like this bench better.....as of now
     
  8. SharpesTriumph

    SharpesTriumph Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 4, 2018
    Messages:
    7,017
    Likes Received:
    6,845
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I think Harkless and Aminu defense is being massively underrated. They were huge in covering for Dame and CJ the last few years. They could guard smaller wings or bruising power players.

    Their offense was a mess and I love the changes we have made. It was time to search for improvements. Now so many are focusing on their deficiencies being removed there is not enough appreciation for their strengths.

    We could have huge problems on defense at the start of next season. I'm not sure Blazers fans, management, or players: will have the patience needed to work through that development.
     
    BonesJones likes this.
  9. riverman

    riverman Writing Team

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2013
    Messages:
    66,375
    Likes Received:
    64,528
    Trophy Points:
    113
    This won't be a fair comparison until they've built some chemistry but talent wise...considering our cap situation we are better than we COULD have been if we'd kept a couple guys we did trade....we got faster for sure...we improved our role players shooting from deep...at the sacrifice of some perimeter defense. I am more excited going into this preseason than I was last season ….some of that hinges on just how good Simons is with some burn...Little as well...Bazemore will be an upgrade as far as his ability to play a two way game. Whiteside is going to give us Ed Davis type offensive rebounds and put back a ton of missed 3s as well as shot blocking and scoring in the paint..Skal, Trent, Nassir, Herzonjia ...I'm hoping will all contribute on some level. Tolliver is a solid mentor and will get you a 3pter
     
    Dougnsalem and TorturedBlazerFan like this.
  10. 1eyedjack

    1eyedjack Member

    Joined:
    May 1, 2019
    Messages:
    40
    Likes Received:
    41
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Talent wise better but chemistry is huge so might take some time to find their chemistry
     
  11. MarAzul

    MarAzul LongShip

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2008
    Messages:
    21,370
    Likes Received:
    7,280
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Life is good!
    Location:
    Near Bandon Oregon
    Nah! The Blazer traded away the best player they had on the court in the last playoff. The coach never understood the game well enough to use the man.
    You can't get better trading the player. Trading the coach is the only way.
     
  12. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2008
    Messages:
    90,259
    Likes Received:
    52,299
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Portland, OR
    ............. who?
     
    BonesJones likes this.
  13. BBert

    BBert Weasels Ripped My Flesh

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2008
    Messages:
    26,326
    Likes Received:
    19,817
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Selfless Public Servant
    Location:
    South Blazerlandia
    What player was that?
     
  14. BBert

    BBert Weasels Ripped My Flesh

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2008
    Messages:
    26,326
    Likes Received:
    19,817
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Selfless Public Servant
    Location:
    South Blazerlandia
    Blazers have more shiny new objects than I can remember getting in one week.

    It's exciting ;)

    :cheers:
     
    royo, Dougnsalem and Titan like this.
  15. Wizard Mentor

    Wizard Mentor Wizard Mentor

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2008
    Messages:
    13,851
    Likes Received:
    13,649
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Master of Xen Foro
    Location:
    La Grande, OR
    Serious question:
    Is the ONE vote for better before @swish3 ??
     
  16. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2008
    Messages:
    90,259
    Likes Received:
    52,299
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Portland, OR
    I think we found Swish3's alt account.
     
  17. SIeepwalker

    SIeepwalker The lone sane poster

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2015
    Messages:
    6,453
    Likes Received:
    9,551
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Strasbourg, France
    Hint: someone forgot to log into their swish3 account !
     
    Dougnsalem likes this.
  18. tiredhunter

    tiredhunter Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2009
    Messages:
    359
    Likes Received:
    453
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Gut instinct is upgrade in the majority of minutes, with some gaps in the bench minutes. End of first to mid second quarter is going to be ulcer city again. A lot of it is dependent on Ant being what is expected and Collins being ready for big minutes. Ultimately, this is a chance to see if our future pieces can deliver long run or not.

    Since most of the moves weren't strictly need for need, have to think about it as the entire squad, and how everyone fits in.

    Core: There will probably be some improvement here as both CJ and Dame add to their game, and I don't expect either will have lost a step just yet. As they age, injuries/load management does become a bigger concern.
    Lillard, Damian (PG) --------------------> Same
    McCollum, CJ (SG) -----------------------> Same
    Nurkić, Jusuf (Injured Center) ----------> Same

    Starter Roleplayers: Somewhat a mixed bag, but the positives far outweigh the negatives.
    Aminu, Al-Farouq (PF) -------------------> Collins: Net neutral on D, new strengths, new weaknesses. We'll see how schemes adjust. Don't expect as many 3s. Better to learn now if he can step up at PF, or if further changes are needed. Want to see how his post game develops.
    Harkless, Maurice (SF)-------------------> Hood or Bazemore: Bazemore feels like a nominal upgrade on offense, and a question mark on D. Hood higher ceiling, but is going to take some time to get up to speed, likely more consistent
    Kanter, Enes (Backup Offensive Center) --> Whiteside: Huge upgrade, though less likable, and character is the big concern.

    Key Bench: Where things get ugly and uncertain.
    Turner, Evan (Backup Point Forward) -----> Mario: Defensive downgrade, probably offensive as well, but could click and fit in to offense more naturally
    Curry, Seth (Backup PG) -----------------> Anfernee: Who knows if he is ready for the big stage, but the man has shown he is not shy about ceising opportunity.
    Hood, Rodney (Backup SG/SF) -------------> Same or Bazemore: This will be pretty similar,

    Bench: Again, feels like a mixed bag, but at least it is no longer a group that you're left thinking more of promise, than performance on the floor.
    Layman, Jake (Bench SF, streaky) --------> No real direct replacement here, but with the depth at SF, not many minutes. Hopefully they get another PF/C
    Leonard, Meyers (Bench PF) --------------> Toliver: He'll likely get more minutes, so should be more consistent. Don't expect any major hero games/stretches from him, but don't expect him to get lost.
    Collins, Zach (Bench PF/C) --------------> Skal: Also a pretty big wildcard, likely a step back, but will only be playing in the first half.

    Practice Squad Guys;
    Simons, Anfernee (DNP) ------------------> Nassir: Will be elated if he cracks the rotation, but don't see where.
    Labissière, Skal (DNP) ------------------> Hoard: Can't wait for summer league.
    Trent, Gary (DNP) -----------------------> Same? Suppose he could crack into the Layman minutes.
     
  19. swish3

    swish3 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2016
    Messages:
    1,492
    Likes Received:
    1,402
    Trophy Points:
    113
    No!
     
    Wizard Mentor and SIeepwalker like this.
  20. MarAzul

    MarAzul LongShip

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2008
    Messages:
    21,370
    Likes Received:
    7,280
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Life is good!
    Location:
    Near Bandon Oregon
    Funny! They ask, but they all know.
     

Share This Page