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  1. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    If Collins/Simons show something more this season, Neil will brand them untouchables... [/BGD]
     
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    Simons probably already should be, we are gonna need him when we trade CJ before his extension.
     
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    Dame-Simons-Wiggins-Towns-Nurkic wins 55-60 games every year if healthy.

    CJ + Zach for Towns + Wiggins. It doesn't work yet and would take some manuevering after we open up some space next year, but that would be the general framework. Who says no? I think I have an irrational attachment to Towns though, so I'm prolly biased. But the guy is 23 and has had a 23-26 PER with 50/40/85 splits pretty much every year of his career. At his size and skill, he'd be a nasty complement to Nurk and Dame.
     
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    I’ll throw out a trade idea, I haven’t read all 164 pages so it’s probably been mentioned but what about Whiteside for LA at the deadline? I have a funny feeling San Antonio’s playoff run is over. It would be a season and half rental since he’s a FA in 20-21, which means we aren’t paying him past his age 35 season. Of course I’d only do this if Nurk comes back 100%.
     
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    Spurs have given no indication that they're gonna give up. Won't happen til Pop retires.
     
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    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Simons
    Okogie
    Culver/Little/Layman
    Covington/Bates-Diop
    Collins/Dieng

    +$50M in cap space

    Would be a heck of a quick teardown/rebuild for the Wolves.

    (Just trying to convince myself it's possible...)
     
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    Yes I know but if they are sitting in 10th or 11th place by next years deadline you don’t think they would consider shedding a 34 year old LA’s 25 mil contract?
     
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    Timberwolves will never part with Towns. Wiggins is horribly overpaid and has no motor. I also worry about Towns motivation. He can have stretches where he plays like he doesn't care. Hell, I would too seeing how they have no chance of being anything.

    I am becoming more and more convinced that real success, i.e. the finals, this season will be determined by the extent that Zach and Anfernee can become ~household names (by those who follow the game closely). Zach needs to be averaging a double double, or thereabouts, and a couple of blocks a game. Anfernee needs to take home 15+ a night and a handful of boards + assists.

    Nas won't see any time this year. Trent could make a leap but I just don't see it happening for some reason; doubt Stotts will put him in much.
     
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    Sure, but when have the Spurs been that bad? Until their downfall actually happens, I'm not holding my breath. They're getting back a guy who I think will be MIP next year in Murray.
     
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    Its been decades but man I just don’t see them making the playoffs this year. Maybe an 8 seed but I don’t even really believe that. I also see LA pouting there if they are on the outside or headed that direction and maybe they send him back to Portland for cap relief and a pick. I’m not sure i even wanna pay a 35 year old LA but it’s one season compared to all these guys like Love and BG who we would be strapped to for the next 3 - 4 years, and he’s cheaper.
     
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    Pretty much the way I see it too. I'd add that getting Nurk back ASAP and being able to crush other teams' second units with the Whiteside/Nurk combo could be pretty important too.
     
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    CJ will be a 7 year veteran which means he'd be eligible for the 30% max deal

    last I saw the cap was projected to be 116M next summer. So, CJ's 1st year salary could be 35M. His 8% step raise would be a shade under 2.8M. He could get a 4-year/156M deal....39M a year. If the cap climbs to 120M in 2021-22, CJ could be maxing out over 40M/year

    that's 39-40M a year for a player who was:

    96th in PER
    199th in TS% & 163rd in eFG% (and he's supposed to be a shooter)
    152nd in assist rate
    121st in winshares/48
    119th in box plus/minus
    94th in RPM

    about the only statistical category CJ cracked the top-20 in was FG attempts.

    so then, I'm seeing people say it would be no problem building around Dame and CJ...and leaving it at that with no context. To be more accurate, what they are saying is "it's no problem building around Dame/CJ just as long as the perfect roster is assembled around them". Apparently, that settles it. But here's the issue I see: if you're paying Dame & CJ 85-90M a year, that's 65-68% of the salary cap and there's almost no fucking way you can assemble the perfect roster around them when they are hogging that much of the cap. Won't really be possible because the perfect roster is going to include some guys that will have to be paid a hell of a lot more than the MLE...which by the way will be over 10M by then

    CJ has never had anything close to the consistent impact of an elite #2, so the prospect of paying him an elite level salary is certainly debateable
     
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    CJ is trade bait to me, especially if Simons is as good as they’re selling. Doubt Olshey would trade him in the middle of a season unless there was just a total collapse, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he hit the market next summer.
     
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    I still think he would be perfect for Philly.
     
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    Doubt it. I would expect him to get an extension next Summer instead. He won’t qualify for supermax but I believe we can still give him max extension a year in advance?
     
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    :lol:
     
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    I don’t get why Nuggets extended Murray a year before he hit free agency while giving him a max. Likewise Philadelphia and Simmons. You gain nothing, these players are never going to just take QO and wait a year to hit UFA. They will accept a max a year from now and you will have slightly more flexibility as their cap holds will be substantially smaller than what they sign for.

    Suns did the same with Booker.

    At least by waiting a year you protect yourself against an unlikely injury that could potentially screw up their career.
     
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    We would struggle to offload him to Philly unless it’s for Tobias Harris. Which to be honest would make perfect sense for us, and maybe a little bit of sense for Philadelphia if their huge long lineup did not cut it this year.

    Simmons/CJ/Richardson/Horford/Embiid looks fairly balanced on paper.
     
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    Except, as far as I can see, he doesn't have any "nasty" in him.
     
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    dilemma: CJ for 40M/year or Harris for 35M/year? They are about even as players and have about the same impact on winning

    I guess saving 5M a year has some merit. And maybe, 4 years from now, the 35-40M/year deal will be today's 25-30M/year deal. I'd still wonder if a team wouldn't be better served by NOT giving out contracts like that to players that weren't really elite. Even though there is a lot higher salary cap now than there was 5 years ago, the fundamental CBA ratios haven't changed. And one of those is that a team, especially a small market team, can really only afford two max-level contracts, not three; and that those contracts should be reserved for elite players. Neither CJ or Harris are elite
     
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