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  1. illmatic99

    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    Not you. But everyone else presenting this notion that Rich Paul is just another agent.
     
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    The only way AD leaves the Lakers/Lebron is if he fires Paul imo. Unlike Morris, he doesn’t seem like he has the balls to do such a thing.
     
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    Has something like this ever happened in the history of the modern NBA? I mean a huge superstar leaving big market to join one of the smallest markets in the league.
     
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    Miami is hard capped because of the Butler sign and trade, and they're currently sitting about 400k below the cap. Dragic and johnson isnt enough $$going out to keep them below the cap. And if you send more, roster spots become a big issue, as well as added tax to okc. They'll almost certainly need a 3rd team involved. Will be interesting to see if they could.figure it out.
     
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    I’m not sure Miami will really try that hard to accommodate Paul trade. Seems too much of a hassle for a player that is well past his best.
     
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    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    Not with Space Jam and all anyway, but fun to think about. Kinda glad we seem like we're gonna open up flexibility next season. Will prolly end up with about 15-20 mil of space, but it's not THAT hard to open up 10 more. If we ever were to try to add someone, it would be next summer before Dame's supermax kicks in.
     
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    Yeah it's not difficult to dumb salary, we've seen this many times this summer
     
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    Interesting accusations. Morris turned down an offer from the Clippers, worth roughly $41 million, earlier in free agency. Morris would then fire agent Rich Paul, leading to rumors that Rich Paul didn’t want Morris on the Clippers to compete against LeBron James.

    https://www.totalprosports.com/2019...r-turning-down-41-million-deal-from-clippers/
     
  9. Chris Craig

    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    I think Miami would have to send more because they are hard capped after trading for Butler
     
  10. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Yep, you're right. Guess I gotta rework it.
     
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    the league average 3ptFG% over the last 3 years has been a shade under 36%. Hood's career mark is 36.7%; Hezonja 32.1%; Basemore 35.2%; Tolliver 37.6%. That's 2 guys below average and two above. Bazemore is about as far below average as Hood is above. I'd define a good 3 point average as in the 39-40% range. Tolliver is the only one who has hit that mark. But he's also been below average a few times

    you're right that Aminu and Harkless chipped a lot of paint last season. But if you add up the departing 5 players, Aminu-Mo-Curry-Meyers-Layman, they averaged 37%...10 points above average. If you add Turner and Stauskas to that, the mark drops to 35.9%. That's what Portland is losing. Meanwhile, the 4 'new' guys you highlighted shot 248-751. That's 33.0%. In other words, 36% leaving and 33% coming in

    I don't see any advantage for Portland next season between in-cumming three point shooting vs outgoing. I don't think Portland will be much worse, but there's not much reason to think they'll be much better. As usual, it seems like a whole lot is riding on Simons and Zach
     
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  12. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Amongst players who shot at least 50 3's last year, only 56 NBA players met your criteria of a good 3-point average. Apparently, we no longer have a good 3-point shooter on the Blazers.
     
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    B-Roy If it takes months

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    https://www.blazersedge.com/2019/7/...ee-point-stats-bazemore-hood-tolliver-2019-20

    This article highlights pretty well what we’re losing vs what we’re getting in shooting.

    Tl;dr, our three shooters leaving shot worse percentage on more open shots. The ones that are replacing them are shooting higher percentages on less open shots. The spacing for everyone is different if guys have to actually guard their man, something they regularly didn’t do with Harkless, Aminu and Turner.
     
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    sorry....I was talking career marks

    but it's an interesting question...with the league average being around 36%, where exactly would you draw the line between 'above average' and 'good'? I'm drawing it at 39%...how far below that would you put it?
     
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    I remember Bill Simmons saying AD was pissed off earlier this year with how clutch handled his situation.
    I don't remember if he assumed it or if he actually had a real feel for the situation.
     
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    I think you're not giving Bazemore his due. He came into the league as a poor 3pt shooter: 29.4% and 33.6% his first 2 years. Once he got to Atlanta he shot 36.4%, 35.7%, 34.6%, and 39.4% in his first four years there, on much higher volume too, I would add. Last season, he dropped to 32%, but he had a nasty ankle injury that probably accounts for the drop. All-in-all, he's developed into about an average 3pt shooter when healthy.

    Hood will be a starter and Bazemore, Tolliver and Hezonja look to be regular rotation players. Turner, Harkless, Aminu, and Curry are the guys they're replacing in the rotation. My overall point is that Curry was an excellent 3 pt shooter, but didn't put up many shots. Aminu, Harkless and Turner were overall abysmal from 3. I don't see it as being a stretch to think that the 4 new rotation players will average as much or more from distance than the 4 guys they're replacing. Adding in Meyers, Stauskas and Layman, all of whom were out of the rotation more than in it, doesn't tell you anything since they hardly played.
     
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    I don't disagree with that article much but it kind of cherry picks three players coming in (one of whom was already 'in' for part of last season) and three players going out. It also compares two of last year's starter to two players, at least one of whom won't start. That might not mean much but we know the space left for shooters depends on how much they play with Dame, and to a lesser extent, CJ

    I also question the Tolliver/Layman comparison. Layman started 33 games and played over 1300 minutes. I have a hard time seeing Tolliver getting anywhere close to those minutes
     
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    B-Roy If it takes months

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    Why do you have an issue with them including Tolliver, the best three point shooter, but not with them leaving out Turner, the worst shooter leaving? Also, with Nurk our there’s a good chance Tolliver will get close to Layman’s 18 mpg given Portlands lack of depth at the bigs.

    I think the point is valid when you consider they’re talking about the three guys that will eat up the bulk of the minutes left by Harkless, Aminu and Layman. I think if anyone, they should have included Zach, who is going to take a lot of Aminu’s minutes and will have to be a more reliable shooter.

    A point that they actually understated was Turner leaving. Portland usually played 2 non shooters whenever Turner was out there. It’s hard to project Ant as being as good of a spacer as Seth, but it’s pretty clear he will be better than Turner. Portland’s roster next year should allow them to field 4 shooters on the floor at all times, Provided Zach is more consistent.
     
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  19. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Interesting dichotomy. It's all semantics, I guess, but why does there have to be a line between "above-average" and "good"? Why can't anything above average be called good? The league average for scoring was 1.104 points per possession. Personally, I view any activity that on average results in greater than that average as "good". 37% 3-point shooting results in 1.11 pps; that's good enough for me.

    Now, Portland averaged 114.7/100, so I guess to surpass that one would need to shoot .383 or better. Maybe that's our "above-average"/"good" dividing line...?
     
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    I'm happy with high volume shooters who hit above 34%. The reason our secondary shooters last year didn't work so well was not as much their %, as much as teams didn't fear them taking a lot of shots at a decent percentage. 33% from 3 = 50% from not three. Now it isn't quite that simple because you have long rebounds leading to fast breaks too, but I would rather have a guy who shoots 34% on 5-7 attempts per game, than a guy who shoots 39% on 1-3 attempts per game.
     
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