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Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by GhostOfPGA, Jun 13, 2019.

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  1. wizenheimer

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    that's what I'm saying, if anything he's about average..that's the due I gave him. And if we're going to use Bazemore's injury as an excuse for his poor shooting last season, then you have to extend the same excuse to Harkless.

    ok...those 3 guys combined for 417 three point shots. That's about 17% of the three's Portland shot. But there's context missing to that. They combined for 29% of the three's shot by Blazers other than Dame & CJ. So that's not insignificant

    I guess I'm pushing back on this because I see a whole lot of 'best-case-scenario-ism' going on. Portland loses 36% shooting and brings in 33% shooting yet they will be a better shooting team because...spacing. Maybe that's how it will work out but I sure wouldn't count on it
     
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    because it's bunk?

    somebody who gets a c+ on algebra isn't good at math

    what you're saying, if the league average is 36% then somebody who shoots 36.1% is good. And somebody who shoots 35.9% is bad. If both guys shot 300 three's, the guy who made 108 would be a good shooter and the guy who made 107 would be a bad shooter. wut?

    That's not a matter of semantics...it's abandoning common sense....sorry
     
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    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    If one looks at it as binary--everyone is either "good" or "bad"--then sure. If not, then that logic doesn't quite hold up. Which is why I say it's semantics. Because that's what semantics is: debating the denotative and connotative meaning of words.
     
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    B-Roy If it takes months

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    I think you are understating how valuable spacing is. Percentages average out and settle over the season because it’s 82 games....and you play a bunch of bad teams, and there are extraneous circumstances. It’s different in the playoffs. Year over year we see teams abandon Aminu, Harkless and Turner to load up on Dame and CJ. They can try that with the new guys and it won’t work as well. At the very least it forces the other team to slightly change their defensive strategy. I’d be much more worried about the defensive end of the floor.
     
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    B-Roy If it takes months

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    On this point, Blazers were too half in the league in 3 point percentage as a team, but actually bottom 10 in terms of attempt rate (volume). Our best shooters by percentage were not good volume shooters, or didn’t play enough minutes, so I’d say we were actually a below average shooting the team. When Harkless, Turner and Aminu are such significant parts of the rotation you just end up with a lot of lineups without proper spacing because you either have bad shooters or even average/good shooters that didn’t take enough shots.
     
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    I think you’re arguing against a point I’m not making. I didn’t say the Blazers will be a better 3pt shooting team. Like you, I’m not sure they will be. I was responding to a question about who would replace Curry’s 3pt shooting. My point is that I think that the 4 new rotation guys can likely equal last year’s 3pt production of the 4 guys they’re replacing. Curry was fantastic. Aminu, Harkless and Turner were below average. If the 4 guys who replace them are around average, then there shouldn’t be an overall drop as a result of the change. Harkless’ injury undoubtedly factors into his shooting woes for last season, but a healthy Bazemore should shoot better than Moe did last year. The comparison is whether next season’s rotation players’ production will meet or exceed last year’s. I haven’t added Simons into the equation because his track record is so limited. That said, he could turn out to be a difference maker. Either way.
     
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    you could be right. I just don't have as much confidence in Hood and Bazemore as three point shooters as you do

    I do agree that the loss of defense with Aminu-Mo-ET is a big worry. There are too many elite 6'7-6'9 wings in the NBA to be weak on defense at those positions
     
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    B-Roy If it takes months

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    Yeah, they look bad if you are going by their percentages last year, but both have better career averages. Glass half empty/half full I guess.

    Either way, Portland hit their ceiling with Mo and Aminu. Even if our floor is lower with the new guys I’m willing to see how it goes because the ceiling should be higher.
     
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    This.
    It should be the final word.... but it won't be.
     
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    That’s just weird. Caruso was pretty funny, though.
     
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    That's a problem. I didn't realize there were that many good shooters in the league. I kind of did realize we don't have any that shot that high.
     
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    Hey Lebron, go put on your ultimate warrior shirt, it’s the funniest thing you’ve ever done.
     
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    What’s the average shooting percentage for 2-point shots for the league?
     
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    ...hopefully it's the part(s) that eventually fall into the toilet! :devilwink:
     
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    You mean for the people who paid 50$ for a teeshirt?
     
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