Politics Securing The Border With A Wall, Duh

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  1. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    One thread is enough for you to go on a religion based hate rant.
     
  2. MarAzul

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    Oh Sly! I posted nothing but the verifiable truth. You can check it out.
    Better yet, come down to the MarAzul and I will show you exactly where you can verify specifically what I said. You let these people post their liberal talking point shit day after day, But I can show you the bull shit you guys are eating.
    I really do not think you should shut down the only voice here that has taken a Kaffir, more than once from a Muslim, and a guy that spent about 8 years in study to figure out what the hell is going on. This is not just a simple religious bias thing
    it is real. I do think it is worth your time since you control the gate, to find out if I am full of shit. I truly do believe that it is bull shit to give equal weight to all religions for real reasons, some of which I have begun to attempt to point out.
    But damn man! People have to wake the fuck up, and you my friend, best begin to lead.

    BTW I am not a follower of any religion, but I do see value in most even though most are abused.
     
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  3. SlyPokerDog

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    You were saying the same thing in multiple threads. You haven't been banned, nothing was deleted or edited. Hell, you even got to insult me. We didn't need your Muslim hate in two threads.
     
  4. MarAzul

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    If that is all you can see perhaps I have over rated you. I apologize if you are simply a moderator.
     
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    This is what I see, I see multiple people who have put in hours of time and hundreds of dollars to feature and represent this community on a very large stage. This weekend we will be getting lot's of attention and hopefully some new members from it. But we also might be attracting some scrutiny from other members of the media.

    Now again, I haven't edited or deleted anything you said. Yesterday when you weren't getting the discussion you desired from your anti Muslim posts you proceeded to create a brand new thread devoted just to that. Do you really need two separate threads in the same day to bash an entire religion and the people who follow it?

    I closed your thread and then merged with the other Muslim hate thread because one is enough. I respect and will defend people posting their thoughts and opinions but multiple threads covering the same subject when that is a very narrow and arguably hateful take is not a good look for this community.
     
  6. MarAzul

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    Well, I guess I don't know how "we" got into this discussion. But MS -13 has not got shit to do with race in my view. They are punks period, no matter who joins, and as far as I can see, it is mostly central Americans.
    Yes I do know of them, they introduced themselves to me in So Cal the recent winter I spent there. I was going to Harbor Freight to pick up and order, parked in the shopping maul lot and started toward the store.
    Hey! Antiquo blano Pelo! This our turf! Yes Spanish and English. The leader was in front, followers closely following, I figure this was a show of prowess and I am too fucking old to run. Oh shit I have to do this.
    He is closing, which hand is he going to go with? Ah, a right! Less then a second later the humorus was not located in proper orientations with the Scappula, clavicle socket. It was not a racial thing, it was the need of the moment.
    I went into Harbor Freight pickup up my shipment. When I come out, the police were there and informed me they were MS 13, it would be best if you stayed over toward Ventura. Weird Hey! They come for the Old White hair,
    and he is told to stay out of town.
     
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  7. MarAzul

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    I understand you Sly, and I am truly sorry you see the need to use the word hateful. It does hurt that I attempt inform and you all see hate. Damn man this will not end well. The communication needed is not happening.
    I will still implore you to seek the picture I am trying to give you, I have little hope of doing it on my own and I think you know it is not hate that is the point. I am pretty sure in your gut, you know it.
    Carry on!
     
  8. MarAzul

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    Btw, I know you mean well with this virtue signal. But Nothing I said would be anti Muslim in the eyes of Muslim reform community. Only the uniformed.
     
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    I wouldn't defend someone's right to make racist comments.
     
  10. MARIS61

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    Trump administration scores win over challenge to asylum restriction
    By Ronn Blitzer | Fox News

    New rule attempts to address immigration loopholes; Ray Bogan reports from Washington, D.C.

    A federal judge decided Wednesday to leave in place a Trump administration rule that imposes restrictions on individuals seeking asylum in the United States if they passed through a third country on their way to the border between the U.S. and Mexico, potentially leading to a sharp reduction in Central American migrants entering the country.

    The rule, published in the Federal Register last week, requires people seeking asylum to first apply in one of the countries they pass through on their way to the U.S., with certain exceptions. The rule was quickly met with a legal challenge from advocacy groups, who moved for a temporary restraining order blocking the rule. After a hearing in Washington, D.C. federal court, District Judge Timothy J. Kelly denied the motion. The rule will remain in place for the duration of the case, unless the decision is successfully appealed.

    "We are disappointed in the court's decision today," said Claudia Cubas, litigation direction for the Capital Area Immigrants' Rights Coalition.

    Kelly, who was appointed to the bench by President Trump said the immigrant advocate groups who filed the lawsuit did not show that their work would be irreparably harmed if the policy moved forward.

    With certain exceptions, the rule requires individuals to apply for and be denied asylum in another country in order to apply in the U.S. That means that migrants from Central American nations who travel through Mexico – who make up a significant portion of recent asylum seekers – will not be eligible for asylum in America unless they previously applied for asylum in Mexico or any other country they traversed and were turned down.

    The new rule’s exceptions include certain cases of human trafficking.

    The rule is meant to crack down on asylum seekers coming to the U.S. more for economic reasons than to escape persecution in their home countries. Administration officials say this could help close the gap between the initial asylum screening that most people pass and the final decision on asylum that most people do not win. The goal in part is to allow quicker determinations in these cases.


    The policy follows the Trump administration's Migrant Protection Protocols, commonly referred to as the "remain in Mexico" policy. Under that policy, asylum seekers were often told to go back to Mexico to await hearings, rather than be allowed to remain in the U.S.

    TRUMP ADMINISTRATION AIMS TO EXPAND FAST-TRACK DEPORTATIONS ACROSS US, LEGAL FIGHT EXPECTED

    A reduction in asylum seekers would ease the burden on federal agencies currently overwhelmed by the volume of individuals seeking entry into the U.S.


    Detention facilities have been notoriously stretched for resources, resulting in outcries against the government. The criticism has particularly been strong when it comes to the conditions in which migrant children have been kept.

    Fox News' Judson Berger and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
     
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    Btw, I know you mean well with you this, but there’s not a single Muslim that would respect your views on Islam.
     
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    Ooops!!!

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    Judge blocks Trump asylum restrictions at US-Mexico border
    By By AMY TAXIN and ASHRAF KHALIL Associated PressJul 25, 2019, 8:47 AM ET
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    WATCH: A group of neighbors formed a human chain to successfully block two immigration agents from taking away a father who has lived there for 14 years.
    A federal judge has ordered the Trump administration to stop denying asylum to anyone who transits through another country to reach the U.S. border, marking the latest legal defeat for a president waging an all-out battle to stem the flow of migrants entering from Mexico.

    The ruling by U.S. District Judge Jon Tigar in San Francisco on Wednesday came hours after another federal judge in Washington, D.C., let the 9-day-old policy stand. The California judge's preliminary injunction halts the policy while the lawsuit plays out in court.


    The new policy denies asylum to anyone who passes through another country on the way to the U.S. without seeking protection there. Most crossing the Mexican border are from Central America, but it would apply to all nationalities except countries that border the U.S.

    The dramatic change went into effect last week, though there were conflicting reports on whether U.S. immigration agencies were enforcing it.

    Top U.S. officials said the policy would discourage migrants from leaving their countries, which they say is necessary to reduce the numbers of people that U.S. authorities are detaining.


    The White House condemned the judge's order, calling it "tyranny of a dysfunctional system."

    White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham said Thursday the plaintiffs in the case had found "a single district judge who will purport to dictate immigration policy to the entire Nation." She said President Donald Trump will "pursue all available options to address this meritless ruling and to defend this Nation's borders."


    Tigar, who was appointed by former President Barack Obama, halted another Trump policy last year to deny asylum to people who crossed the border illegally.

    The judge said the policy could expose migrants to violence and abuse, deny their rights under international law and return them to countries they were fleeing. He cited the administration's own court filings to argue that Mexico was unsafe.

    Tigar acknowledged that the U.S. immigration system is overwhelmed by the surge in migrants from Central America over the last year.

    "But shortcutting the law, or weakening the boundary between Congress and the Executive, are not the solutions to these problems," he wrote.

    Trump told reporters before his departure for a fundraiser in West Virginia on Wednesday that the decision earlier Wednesday by U.S. District Judge Timothy Kelly, a Trump appointee, was a "tremendous ruling." He added: "We appreciate it. We respect the courts very much. That helps us very much at the border."

    The California judge ruled in favor of advocacy groups represented by the American Civil Liberties Union, the Southern Poverty Law Center and the Center for Constitutional Rights.

    Melissa Crow, an attorney for the Southern Poverty Law Center, said the decision was "an important victory for incredibly vulnerable individuals and families from besieged Central American countries seeking refuge in our country."

    "We will continue to fight this draconian policy as well as the myriad of others through which the Trump administration continues to wage war on asylum-seekers and our nation's asylum system," Crow said.

    The policy would have limited exceptions that would allow for asylum: if someone has been trafficked, if an asylum seeker sought protection in a country but was denied or if the country the migrant passed through did not sign one of the major international treaties that govern how refugees are managed, though most Western countries have signed them.

    The decision came as tens of thousands of people are waiting in Mexico on official and unofficial lists formed after U.S. agents started turning away many asylum seekers, citing lack of space and delays in immigration courts. They also include people are forced to wait in Mexico while their cases wind through U.S. immigration policy, another Trump policy that has so far survived a legal challenge.

    Tigar's ruling is the latest example of courts dealing Trump a setback on immigration policy. A court stopped the administration from detaining asylum seekers without giving them a chance to be released on bond.

    A judge in Oakland, California, prevented the Trump administration from tapping $2.5 billion in Pentagon money to build border walls. The administration has appealed that decision to the U.S. Supreme Court and asked for a ruling by Friday.

    ———

    Taxin reported from Santa Ana, California, and Khalil reported from Washington. Associated Press writers Elliot Spagat in San Diego, Colleen Long in Washington and Nomaan Merchant in Houston contributed to this report.

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  13. MarAzul

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    A majority? I do not know, but I do know one.
    Actually that is not the real issue here, It seems to me that it is time to adjust (amend) the Constitution in this matter. We went for 218 years before it came up, now we have three times.
    Since the Constitution prohibits a religious test to hold office, then it seems to follow in my view, that an oath of office probably should not permit an oath of affirmation connected with a religious symbol. The Bible, Torrah or Quran.
    It never was an issue before because only the Quran contains a set of law that people actually do follow, that is in conflict with the Constitution. Also, the only Book that urges the follower to deceive the Infidel.

    I sort of hoped for a discussion on fixing the Constitution and I rather hoped I would not have to start it. However it does seem easy to construct, make the Oath required with hand on the Constitution it's self, as some Jewish Reps do now.
    Might be hard to get a super majority of Christians to go along though. The thread got labeled hate speech though, without ever getting to that point.
     
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    I’m all for removing religion from as many things/places as possible.
     
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    Congratulations!
    I think you are the first to contribute in a meaningful way since I started the subject in another now closed thread.
    I always thought it a mistake to add "under God" to the pledge of allegiance. It has always made the point of the pledge obscure, which is, many states, but once Nation. It commingles two separated important messages into one very obscure pledge of nonsense.
    Turning many people off.
     
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    It’s a miracle but we are on the same page.
     
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    Ha!
    Imagine that!
     
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    My dad was a very conservative Republican. He died almost exactly a year ago, unexpectedly, at 71. I’m still not able to fully process it. We had many lively discussions about politics and Trump. We finally agreed to disagree. He was not fond of Trump the person, but always came to his defense. We were never able to see eye to eye on Trump and his style. He thought he was just unorthodoxed in his style, I think he’s just too egomaniacal and dumb to give him leeway in his antics. In the end, I know my dad had the absolute biggest and most generous heart of any person I have ever met. That is why I didn’t understand his allegiance to Trump, it didn’t make sense to me. What he saw and heard from Trump didn’t strike him like it struck me. It was like we honestly heard things and understood things completely differently. We could not understand each other. Neither had the wrong intentions but we both needed to open our minds to just try to see what the other saw. Anyway. God rest his soul.
     
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    Sorry to hear about your father's passing.
    I believe people all have their own perspectives and relevance (there may be some exceptions), and while at times it can be hard to hear or comprehend someone who has wildly different views than you (the general you), it's important to be able to communicate, because that's how we work on crossing the divide. It's my opinion that part of the issue and one of the things I dislike most about Trump is that as a leader he has continued to divide people and to make communication even harder than ever. As a leader, his job should be to unite all not just bait those he disagrees with and inspire those who agree with him.

    My views are fairly conservative, though I am no fan of Trump.

    I think what bothers me the most about the off-topic section here and the internet is how quickly everyone jumps on the attack, it seems like for most people there is very little room for respectfully disagreeing on things, and it quickly turns into an arms race of who can humiliate, or beat down their opposition. I feel like that actually creates and pushes people to the extreme beliefs that can be so harmful to people.
     
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