OT El Paso shooting: 22 Dead, 24 Inured. Dayton shooting: 9 Dead, 16 Injured

Ok, but buffet, gates, Bezos, Jobs, PA(RIP), Balmer, Kroenke, etc are not the president and the discussion isnt about them. You can find dirt on all of them if you want too. Other guys being jerks doesnt excuse my actions. Other rich guys being jerks doesnt excuse Trumps either.

 

I agree about the New York disco scene completely....but you made my point....Trump wanted to be one of those celebs in the worst way..golf memberships and hookers get you a lot of washed up athletes as rented friends for a night....Trump just wanted to be Frank Sinatra and didn't have the talent to come close. He's left now with Dennis Rodman and the Baldwin brother nobody knows.

 

No, it doesn't, you are right. BUT....it IS reality. Some people can't accept reality or want to change it. Good luck with that.

America is a country of assholes. There are many beautiful, great things about this country, but 99% of the population are assholes. Just look on social media if you don't believe me....hell, look at this forum! If you ask me, it was only a matter of time before someone like Trump took the reigns.

I, for one, choose to accept reality, rather than screaming obscenities and denying it.

 

Im not sure I understand your, perspective on this. Your basically saying everyone sucks just accept it and move on, we cant change it, we cant do anything about it, thats reality.

So people are murderers, rapists, racists, bigots, etc, etc,. Thats reality everyone sucks, so lets just ignore it, accept it and vote them in for president because, “everyones doing it”.

While I certainly wouldnt expect someone who doesnt share my world views to comply with the life style I have chosen, I think its quite reasonable to not just turn a blind eye to everything someone does. Arent we at that point just excusing, and propagating bad behavior, especially when its supposed to be the leader of 330M+ of us?

 

So what. He was gifted money by daddy. He turned into more money and fucked over many to get there. So he’s “successful”? He’s a bad person. Period. Full stop. There’s a huge difference between being “tough” and being an asshole. I’ll take tough all day long. Being an unethical prick is not admirable.

 

99% of the country are assholes? Where the hell have you been living?

 

1) No, you can't change it. There has been inequality, racism, bigotry, hatred, and assholes since ancient times. Do you honestly think that a leader is somehow going to make people change? No. There were still shootings and murder and racism in Lincoln's time, just as there was when Obama was in office. That is reality. My advice would be, broadly stated: don't waste effort on the bad, and focus on the good. Trying to change society rarely works, unless you are one of the greats, like MLK or Fred Rogers. But how many other MLK and Fred Rogers are there?

I mean, honestly, what is your other option? Riot and throw a shit flip every time you see someone in a MAGA hat? No thanks. Life is stressful enough without trying to change the dynamic of people. Live for yourself, and fuck everyone else.

Speaking for myself, I've learned to leave people alone, and they've left me alone in return. That's good enough for me. No sleep lost.

2) Nobody is propagating anything. I've not heard Trump once call for killing anyone. And I don't play "connect-the-dots logic", just like I don't believe in conspiracy theories. So I'm afraid I can't help you there.

Then you're not accepting anyone who has ever been in power, or has risen to the top. Because you are expecting a mythical person that doesn't exist.

In reality. Go post your opinions on social media and watch shit fly if you don't believe me....Twitter should be good, in fact. I quit using it for specifically that reason. Or go protest or picket something and see how many negative reactions you get. The world is full of assholes. Whether it's a middle finger in traffic, or a President on a podium.

It baffles me that some of you don't get this. Where have you been for the past decade or two? This country is more crowded, stressed out, and crazy than ever before. Now you're surprised that we have an asshole president? Why is this news to some of you?

 

This isnt adding up. On one hand your saying its always been that way, on the other your saying its getting worse. On one hand your saying leaders have always sucked, then you point to a few who didnt.

Connecting the dots is literally logic at it’s core, you cannot make a logical conclusion if you cannot look at separate pieces of evidence and put them together.If you’re saying bad behavior is absolutely acceptable because thats just the way things are you are indeed propagating and encouraging it.

I will not accept that well a lot of leaders have sucked, so I should just accept it and not look for a good leader.

 

Social media is still not 99%. And the comments section of a post isn’t exactly made up of a bunch quality people. To log in and post and complaint, you are only to go through the trouble if you’re pissed

 

"Getting worse" doesn't mean those things haven't always been there.

And? Where are they? That's my point: they are very few and far in between. MOST of the time, leaders are dicks on some level.

Can also apply to false premise, virtue signaling, and red herring fallacy, with bits of straw man fallacy thrown in. Today, it is rarely applied to logic itself, especially when it comes to the MSM.

That's bullshit. The very fact that people think that taking away guns means violence will stop is proof of that bullshit. That's like saying "if I take away dildos and porn, it will stop women from being horny". There is zero logic in that, yet I just put those two "dots" together to form a point. Not everything that is connected by dots uses logic.

Get back to me when Trump ACTUALLY calls for KILLING someone. Until then, it's all a bunch of connected dots without logic and bullshit to me.

Yeah, NOBODY has said that, not even Trump. Which brings me back to the point about connecting the dots being applied to false premise, virtue signaling, and red herring fallacy.

NOBODY SAID ANYTHING ABOUT ACCEPTING ANYTHING. Stop that crap. In fact, I specifically said:

...and....

Where you are getting confused is that I said "I, for one, choose to accept reality, rather than screaming obscenities and denying it." Nobody here is encouraging you not to look for the good in people, or look for the better people of our society. I am simply saying that the REALITY IS that this country is full of assholes, and no leader is a saint. And because the world is full of assholes, don't be surprised when one steps up to the podium to lead the masses.

Or perhaps you're getting confused by the fact that I said "Then you're not accepting anyone who has ever been in power, or has risen to the top. Because you are expecting a mythical person that doesn't exist." And if that's the case, I want you to find proof that I'm wrong with that statement.

But nowhere did I tell you to just accept it and not look for a good leader. What I DID tell you is what reality is, and what I choose to live in.

And the reality that I choose to live in was that I got fucking tired of career politicians and out-of-touch elites running this country with their arrogant and condescending attitudes, talking to us like we were a bunch of stupid peasants; as if you didn't go to Harvard or hang out in Hollywood, then you didn't matter. With their fake smiles and self-importance. So I voted for the guy who ISN'T a career politician, who tells it like it is, who swears, talks shit, and blabbers like everyone else in society (that is reality), and doesn't apologize for anything. He doesn't hide his words with pre-typed bullshit, bows and hand-kissing while going on an apology tour around the world; as if we're supposed to feel guilty about something. I like that about Trump, and I don't give a shit whose feelings he hurts in the process.

If you don't like that, then find someone else and vote for them. But I'll tell you right now that clown show called the Democratic Party is completely out of touch with reality and has an old, outdated message that nobody but a small minority of this country still gives a shit about. Nobody but a few people in our society actually spends their waking hours wringing their hands about gender identity, sexual identity, or race identity. That's reality, and I accept it.

Your mileage may vary. You do you; don't waste your time worrying about anyone else.

Are you sure about that? How many millions of people just in this country alone have some sort of social media, where they are exposed to everyone's opinions or thoughts? 100 million? 200 million?

Oh, forgive me....79%:

https://www.statista.com/statistics...-us-population-with-a-social-network-profile/

My point still stands. Social media exposes you to the reality of what our country is like. We swear at sporting events on Saturday, go to church on Sundays, and we fuck our neighbor's wife on Monday. We hold the door open for old women at the mall, and we flip off the elderly driver holding up traffic on the way home. That is reality.

Is that cynical? Sure. But it doesn't make it any less true. I choose reality.

And on that note, I'm done tonight. Sleep calls. Goodnight.

 

Trump was/is for the death penalty, and he has called for killing somebody.
I think it was in this thread that Julius posted a link to a video of a group of men he said should be killed for a crime they didn't commit. Guess I win this argument.

You seem to think your version of what people are actually like is reality, and it might be to you, but theres a lot of projecting going on.

Also you talk about out of touch elites and hollywood type’s and all their garbage, like Trump isn't one of them? He is a Billionaire who grew up Rich, who literally never had to do a thing in his life but because he swears and epitomizes what some people on the right think is just “how people are”, which is basically them saying, “thats how I am”, and Im projecting that to everyone else, that makes him more “real”. Trump has lived his whole life as one of the “elite”, staring in TV shows, and movies, and owning Hotels all over the world.

To me as someone who leans conservative on a lot of things it all sounds like deflection and if it was the “lefts” guy, and the same excuses were being made for him, the right would call them on it too.

We can go back and forth all day if the left have anyone better, or if past leaders were in better, but it doesnt excuse Trump of the fact he’s a pretty terrible person, who has used his elite status to take advantage of people his whole life, just like all the career politicians do.

 

You've been quick to dismiss people's posts by screaming OPINION, but then you post an asinine thing like 99% of people are assholes. Please tell me you see the irony.

 

Good luck with passing the background check.

 

Gross

 

You said 99% are assholes. Not what % have social media.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/the-hunt-movie-deplorables

Hollywood blockbuster that satirizes killing of ‘deplorables’ causes outrage: ‘Demented and evil’

By Brian Flood | Fox News
A controversial movie about privileged vacationers hunting “deplorables” for sport is ruffling feathers more than a month before its scheduled release and after tragic mass shootings in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio.

“The Hunt” is billed as a satire that follows wealthy thrill-seekers taking a private jet to a five-star resort where they embark on a “deeply rewarding” expedition that involves hunting down and killing designated humans. The Hollywood Reporter reported on Tuesday that “Universal is re-evaluating its strategy for the certain-to-be-controversial satire" following the shootings after ESPN reportedly pulled a trailer for the film that had been previously cleared to air on the sports network.

“The violent, R-rated film from producer Jason Blum's Blumhouse follows a dozen MAGA types who wake up in a clearing and realize they are being stalked for sport by elite liberals,” THR’s Kim Masters wrote. “It features guns blazing along with other ultra-violent killings as the elites pick off their prey.”


“The Hunt” is billed as a satire that follows wealthy thrill-seekers taking a private jet to a five-star resort where they hunt “deplorables” for sport.

According to the Hollywood trade publication, characters in the film refer to the victims as “deplorables,” which is what Hillary Clinton famously dubbed Trump supporters during the 2016 election. The report noted that a character asks, "Did anyone see what our ratf--ker-in-chief just did?"

"At least The Hunt's coming up. Nothing better than going out to the Manor and slaughtering a dozen deplorables," a character responds, according to THR.

DePauw University professor and media critic Jeffrey McCall told Fox News that the movie is “harmful to a culture that surely needs messages of unity and understanding” during the current climate.

“It says something sad about the state of the ‘entertainment’ industry that this movie ever got conceived and produced. Hollywood clearly thinks it is OK to stereotype so-called deplorables and set them up for a hunt,” McCall said. “Thank heavens some sensible outlets are pulling the promotional ads.”

“The Hunt” stars Betty Gilpin and Hillary Swank, who play characters who represent “opposite sides of the political divide,” according to Masters, who added that it was originally titled, “Red State vs. Blue State.”


“The Hunt” is scheduled to hit theatres in September but honchos are reportedly reconsidering amid tragic mass shootings.

Political satirist Tim Young makes a living by poking fun at topical issues, but thinks “The Hunt” goes over the line.

“Why would anyone think it's a great idea to have a movie about hunting down someone who doesnt agree with them politically? It's remarkable to me that the left blames Donald Trump's rhetoric for violence, then literally spends millions to normalize the killing of people based on politics,” Young told Fox News.

“We're told over and over again by the left, especially in Hollywood, that this country is more divided than ever and we need to come together... is this what they mean by it? Come together to murder your neighbors that you don't agree with? This film is sick and shows just how hateful the left has become,” Young added.

ESPN did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

At least two trailers for the film are online but it remains unclear if Universal Pictures’ Blumhouse Productions will proceed with other planned advertisements.

“A high-level insider says top executives want to stand by Blum, one of the studio's most prolific and successful producers, as well as filmmaker Craig Zobel, and see the project as a satire addressing an issue of great social importance. But this person says plans could change ‘if people think we're being exploitative rather than opinionated,’” Masters wrote.


The Hollywood Reporter reported on Tuesday that “Universal is re-evaluating its strategy for the certain-to-be-controversial satire.”

Universal Pictures did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

“This certainly shows Hollywood for what it really is -- demented and evil. At a time when journalists try to blame President Trump for every act of violence in the world, wannabe Tinseltown terrorists are making sick murder fantasies about right-wingers,” Media Research Center vice president Dan Gainor told Fox News.

A trailer that was published by The Daily Mail reveals that the victims are from areas that typically vote Republican, while a hunter declares “We pay for everything, so this country belongs to us.”

“While some trailers for the film have been pulled, there's an internal debate deliberating the film's next steps,” Daily Mail’s Lauren Edmonds wrote. “But decisions will need to come fast, as there's a promotional blitz planned in September.”

“The Hunt” is scheduled to be released on Sept. 27.

“The executives at Universal and those even willing to promote this or run ads for it, should know better than to promote political violence,” Young said.

 

On of my beefs with Hollywood and some actors and actress is that they protest against violence but make millions on movies that depict violence in realistic ways that can influence young people.