OT El Paso shooting: 22 Dead, 24 Inured. Dayton shooting: 9 Dead, 16 Injured

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  1. Jade Falcon

    Jade Falcon Just to piss you off.

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    Yep. I too have had problems for years with Hollywood for the majority of this reason. The real eye-opener was when Quentin Tarantino came out a few years ago strongly in favor of gun control. Seriously. Even my Left-of-Center father had a good laugh about that.
     
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    Have you watched any Tarantino movies? Ever see the Kill Bill movies?
     
  3. Jade Falcon

    Jade Falcon Just to piss you off.

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    Oh yes.

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    Forgive me if I don't take his gun control stance seriously.

    And yes, I did like the Kill Bill movies.
     
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    so a person can't make films that involve shootings and guns and be for gun control? I enjoy the Tarantino movies and I am also for gun control. One has nothing to do with the other. One is real life and one is movies.
     
  5. Jade Falcon

    Jade Falcon Just to piss you off.

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    LMAO. Right. Don't preach to me, a law-abiding peaceful gun owner, about what YOU think I should have based on YOUR FEELINGS that guns lead to violence........and then go make films glorifying violence with firearms, while profiting from it. That makes you a massive hypocrite, and no self-respecting gun owner is going to take you seriously about anything. I'm very surprised that I even have to explain that to anyone, whether they are pro or anti gun.

    Would you listen to Michael Vick if he started calling for laws regarding dog ownership? I wouldn't.
     
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    I understand your point, but there is something very hypocritical about much of hollywood to me. They tell us about equal rights, the environment, etc, but those things seem to be more like well everyone else needs to follow it and they don't. I get that its very hard to
    make movies, without conflict and resolutions and all of that. Just how can you really say you want equal rights and then continue to typecast Black people into the roles their often in, there are very few non violent Black men in big time movies. How many of them talk about conservation, their carbon footprint, and fly around in private jets and have people bending to all their whims. They talk about objectifying women and then have casting couches.

    This isn't to say that everyone there is that way, but there is at least in my opinion a bit of an elitist vibe from hollywood, that all of us “normal” people need to live one way while they continue to use their means to live whatever way they want.
     
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    wow, where to start. First I wasn't "preaching". Second, I have no problem with gun ownership but see absolutely no need for assault type rifles. I don't need that type of gun to feel all macho and never had a situation where I needed a gun and that's living on this earth for 65 years. Third, so you equate a criminal situations like Vicks with someone who directs and produces movies for entertainment? We definitely don;t see eye to eye on things. I am also totally against the open carry law in Texas as how can you tell a guy carrying a gun from one that is carrying a gun to do a mass shooting? I'm sure your comeback will be that if others are there with guns that bad guy can be shot. True, but how many does he kill before that happens and then you have the possibility of several people pulling their guns out and start shooting and not knowing for sure who the good ones are and who the bad one is.
     
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    Michael Vick did pay his debt to society so to speak, and has from all accounts changed his life style. So yeah I would probably listen to him, because he has seen both sides. Its not hypocritical if he has changed.
     
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    If a person is really offended by some of their hypocrisy's then don't watch their movies as wouldn't that be hypocritical to be offended by them and still watch their movies?
     
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    I would agree with this and its part of why Im not a huge movie guy. Though Ive got a ridiculously long list of movies I would like to watch.
     
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    I enjoy watching movies but never associate them with reality as it's simply entertainment to me. Much like how I enjoy watching basketball and many other sports.
     
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    Not to mention that they preach and rant against putting a wall at the border, yet they live in gated, walled communities. I also don't see them lining up to take in homeless people....but they're always the first group of douche bags pointing fingers whenever someone tries to do something about it.

    Not YOU, Cup. I was using "You" to describe a third person, in this case Tarantino. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

    We live in a country of Wants and Desires, not Needs and Requirements. I don't owe you, or anyone else, an explanation about my wants or desires any more than you do.

    Nobody "needs" a 650 hp Corvette, but they are legal to own and fun when driven safely. It's a want, not a need. As it should be in this country.

    And thus far, nobody has given me a good enough reason why this is okay to own:

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    ....and yet this isn't:

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    And if anti-gun people took ONE moment to study firearms and ammunition, they would see just how stupid their arguments are because of it.

    I see. So because YOU have never had a moment where you've needed one, then nobody ever will.

    Okay.

    This is irrelevant to the current discussion, however I will say that people open carry all the time in this country without issue. I will say that there is a time and place for it (I don't personally agree with open-carrying an AR-15 unless there is a very good reason....going out to eat or going to Walmart is not one of them), but that in itself is a whole other discussion for another time.

    I both agree and disagree with this statement. I agree that the risk of getting shot by another person during a mass shooting, who might mistaken you for the shooter, is a definite possibility. In fact, I've spoken with self-defense experts like Massad Ayoob whom have told me as such.

    Where I disagree with your statement is the assumption (mine) that you seem to have this image of every gun owner rushing into a situation, guns blazing. This is the stuff of Hollywood, not reality (another reason not to take them seriously about anything). The fact of the matter is that ALL REPUTABLE self-defense experts very specifically teach you to seek exits and get you or your family or surrounding people to safety as soon as possible. That is your ONLY job. You are NOT required to engage a violent suspect by law, nor is there any shame in seeking safety or getting away from a violent confrontation with your life intact. If your pride takes a hit, then at least you are alive to evaluate it.

    That being said, every dangerous situation is different, and there are, literally, a million different scenarios out there that we could go back and forth over. What is tought to gun owners who take up the training and practice the art of self defense with a firearm is to "be prepared, and be alert". And that's really all you can do. Be aware of your surroundings, make it a habit of studying people, and always know your exit points (doors, windows, cover, concealment....note that cover and concealment are NOT the same....etc etc).

    Here's a good channel to check out, which has real-world video and explanations for those who practice self-defense with a firearm:

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsE_m2z1NrvF2ImeNWh84mw

    The channel is called "Active Self Protection". The host might be a bit pompous at times, but skip over the gun reviews, ignore that, and watch the videos of shootings, and listen to his explanations as he breaks down each shooting. He never glorifies anything, and he never encourages people to interject themselves into violent situations.

    That will give you a real life glimpse at what the Firearm Self Defense community is REALLY like, without the a-holes and clowns who make us look bad.

    Let me know if you have any further questions. I'm always willing to discuss this topic with someone who is willing to be open-minded, respectful, and learn. Even if we don't agree on the topic.

    Same here. The last movie I saw in the theatre was "J. Edgar" with my father.

    When I do, however, watch a movie, I never take it seriously. Hollywood is pretend, and the celebrities there live in a bubble where nothing bad ever happens, and the only thing they have to worry about is how much gas to put in their Bentley. Which is why I don't listen to any of them.
     
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    You seem to be putting words in my mouth for some reason. I simply gave my opinion. It isn't up to you or myself to make that decision. It's up the the voters and majority of people are for banning an assault rifle and it makes no difference if I study guns or not as my opinion wouldn't change but I'm only 1 vote just like you are only one vote. Are you against the people having a voice on this and putting it to a vote? Congress is our mechanism to speak for us and all the senators and reps should be voting for their states they represent and not their party.
     
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    Actually, the majority of people are NOT for banning them. They are used in less than 1% of the total number of shootings in this country. They are attacked because they are scary looking to some people, and those with an agenda use that against them.

    And as long as it's legal, I'll continue to own it and purchase more if I feel like it. That actually IS up to me; especially since I'm a private citizen with my own money, and already own an AK-47 which I purchased legally from a dealer. That's my Right as a citizen. And again, I don't owe anyone an explanation on that, any more than you owe me an explanation about what you choose to buy with your money. It's not my business what any other private citizen buys legally with their money, and it's not their business what I buy with mine.

    I never attempted to put words in your mouth about anything. Not sure where you got that idea. I'm simply stating my opinion about this.

    LOL. Why don't you want to be more educated on the subject? Are you afraid that your opinion might change?

    No, of course I'm not. I do wish, however, that Liberals as a whole would educate themselves about guns properly before they vote on an anti-gun platform. A barista at a Starbucks in Seattle, for instance, is likely to vote against guns, and I highly doubt that she knows a bullet from a barrel shroud. That's the problem. We should ALL be educated about issues BEFORE we vote on them, regardless of what they are. There is nothing wrong with that.

    I'm off to eat. I'll get back to you later if you respond.
     
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    Nope. I'm done as i see no reason to drag it out as we already expressed our opinions.
     
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    Actually, that's not at all what this poll today says.

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    The movies created the mass murderers, simple as that. Before the overkill movies and video games they were something that happened once a decade or so. They exploded with the internet and video/game rentals.

    So, no, a person can't make films that involve shootings and guns and be for gun control. They are complicit in these people's deaths, and many more coming the future sadly.

    As are the patrons who pay for their artistic sadism.

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    Dang it if Mao and Hitler didn't have all those movies and video games.
     
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