Zach Collins Dislocated Shoulder

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  1. Pinwheel1

    Pinwheel1 Well-Known Member

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    Unless his +/- was also with Dame, CJ, Hood, and Whiteside, then I can't take that stat too seriously.
    Not crazy about it. but I think he will play better.
     
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    Is it my imagination, or are there a disproportionate number of white-ish bigs suffering shoulder injuries in recent years? Zach, Enes, Meyers, Love...I feel like there were one or two more I had in mind when I started typing this, so maybe it was my imagination.

    White Men Can't Bump.
     
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    Tolliver wasn’t good last year and is a year older.
     
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    SIeepwalker The lone sane poster

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    This lineup has played 3 minutes for a +/- of 0

    However, switch Hassan for Collins (still Tolliver + 4 starters) and they are -13 in 3 minutes. Switch Tolliver for anyone else and you get great results.

    Additionaly, Tolliver has shared the court with Dame, our best player by a wide margin, for 22 minutes. He is -28 in those
    Here are our other bench players with Dame in comparison:
    Simons: +6 in 18min
    Hezonja: +11 in 25min
    Bazemore: +11 in 53min
    Labissiere: +5 in 7min

    He is also -17 in 10 minutes shared with both Dame and CJ
     
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  5. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Strong post. 10/10, would read again.
     
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    Thanks for this. Was about to post the same. Enough sample size for him to not see the court ever again.
     
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    SIeepwalker The lone sane poster

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    Edit: added other bench players with dame for comparison purpose. It makes it really more daunting.
     
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    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    Terrific. What site are you using to get these numbers?
     
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    I've checked the starters too just to be sure, but no one is close to being in the minus while playing with Dame. -28 in 22 minutes is really an impressive feat.

    On a more positive note, our starting line-up is +23 in 46 minutes ! Let's hope Collins can come back quickly
     
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    BBRef doesn't have lineups yet so I got them here https://stats.nba.com/lineups/traditional/
    I'm not used to using any of those sites so they may be a better way to do this, but I just searched for all the lineups they were in and combined all the +/- myself
     
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    Yeah I just can't go along with this philosophy.....based on that sample size
     
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    Tolliver was a -15 in 3 min last night. i would prefer him nowhere near the court, but injuries happen and hopefully he can turn it around.
     
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    Dammit, I knew we should have kept Meyers to use as spare parts.
     
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    Does this mean Tolliver is starting?

    I think Stotts view Skal as a C, and won't start him along Whiteside. Hoping I'm wrong.

    I don't think our defacto backup point will be starting, either, as it means we have no bench playmakers.
     
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    If Tolliver is starting other teams PF will love playing the Blazers.
     
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    Like a crash test dummy? That would explain his eyes always being closed.
     
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    BBert Weasels Ripped My Flesh

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    Mario should play PF before Tolliver. He might even play more under control.

    Nothing against him but Tolliver was a bad signing. It's up to Stotts to glue him to the bench
     
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    Any news on the MRI yet?
     
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    Faried is unsigned at this point

    also unsigned:

    Dante Cunningham
    Channing Frye
    Amir Johnson
    Jon Leuer

    other minimum contracts signed this last summer:

    Jeff Green
    Kyle Korver
    Tyson Chandler
    Wilson Chandler
    Ryan Anderson
    Patrick Patterson
    Kyle O'Quinn
    Mike Muscala
    Nerlens Noel
    Noah Vonleh
    Jahlil Okafor
    JaKarr Sampson (averaging 20 & 8 so far)
    Christian Wood
    Furkan Korkmaz
    Jordan Bell

    I never understood why the Blazers signed Tolliver considering who else was available as a minimum contract signing. Just about all of those guys above would have been better options. Even two former Blazers, Cunningham & Vonleh would have been better. Or even Channing Frye who averaged 14 & 6 per36 last season while shooting over 40% from three

    it made little sense then, and even less than little now
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    We need someone who can play on the perimeter. Faried definitely could not do that. They wanted a shooter to backup Collins. We already know that Whiteside can't shoot, and Skal actually doesn't have horrible shooting stats. Fuck it... start Skal.
     

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