Politics Public Impeachment Hearings

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  1. Strenuus

    Strenuus Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Lets discuss how this goes down.

    In my totally biased opinion, trump is done and he will be impeached. Its gonna be the greatest day seeing one of the worst human beings on the planet -- trump -- getting impeached.

    As Kurt Angle would say: Oh, its true. Its damn true.
     
  2. THE HCP

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    For somebody who doesn’t follow politics whatsoever but is interested in this..... can you give me the reader’s digest version?
     
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    Striping him of his pride is exactly how to waste a narcissist's power. I hope the day comes.
     
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    Sure. Congress voted overwhelmingly to allocate military aid to Ukraine, which is under military attack by Russia. In a call with President Zelinsky of Ukraine, he told Trump they were ready to get the allotted arms and Trump said "I need a favor, though". He then told Zelinsky to investigate dirt on Joe Biden' s son Hunter, who had business dealings in Ukraine. This had already been investigated and found nothing illegal. He also asked Zelinsky to investigate a conspiracy theory from right wing media and Russian government that Russia did not interfere in 2016 election to help Trump, as every intelligence agency and US Senate have verified, instead Ukraine conspired with Clinton to interfere on her behalf. Absolutely no evidence, just made up. Turns out that three people were running shadow foreign policy separate from official channels. Zelinsky was pressured to go on US television and announce investigation into Biden and Clinton in order to get aid. He was desperate enough to get ready to do so when the story broke, so he finally got the aid. The word for that is extortion and it's a crime even if not successful.

    Numerous officials have come forward to verify the extortion, the shadow foreign policy, and how their reports of their concerns were ignored.
     
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    Just what kind of synopsis were you expecting? I haven't read Readers Digest in about 50 years so I'm not sure how they present things.
     
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    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    I would not fuck with that Bill Taylor dude, lol.
     
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    yankeesince59 "Oh Captain, my Captain".

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    I assume you meant to say; " I would not fuck WITH that Bill Taylor dude, lol.



    If not, well, I agree, I wouldn't fuck him either ! :bgrin:
     
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    Hahahahaha!

    Posting before coffee is never a good idea.
     
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    Ambassador to Ukraine, Amb. Taylor, just confirmed a quid pro quo, bribery, and extortion.[1]

    Diplomat Bill Taylor says EU ambassador Gordon Sondland said on a September 1 call that "everything was dependent, including security assistance" on a public announcement by Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky of investigations of Burisma and the alleged interference of the 2016 election.

    Sondland added, according to Taylor, that President Trump wanted Zelensky "in a public box by making a public statement about ordering such investigations."

    Taylor said he responded to Sondland that "President Trump should have more respect for another head of state."

    Ambassador Taylor was extremely troubled by withholding aid to an ally dependent on it.^[2]

    Democratic Counsel Daniel Goldman asks Taylor why he was so troubled by what was going on in terms of the withholding of aid.

    "It's one thing to try and leverage another meeting in the White House, it's another thing I thought to leverage security assistance to a country at war dependent on both the security assistance and demonstration of support," he said.

    Ambassador Taylor testified that a member of his staff heard President Trump ask Ambassador Sondland about "the investigation." When Sondland was asked about Trump's views about Ukraine by Ambassador Taylor, Sondland stated that "President Trump cares more about the investigations of Biden, which Giuliani was pressing for."^[3]

    Taylor says a member of his staff, on July 26, heard EU Amb. Sondland call Trump at a restaurant.

    "The member of my staff could hear President Trump on the phone, asking Ambassador Sondland about “the investigations.” Ambassador Sondland told President Trump that the Ukrainians were ready to move forward," he said.

    "Following the call with President Trump, the member of my staff asked Ambassador Sondland what President Trump thought about Ukraine. Ambassador Sondland responded that President Trump cares more about the investigations of Biden, which Giuliani was pressing for," he says. "At the time I gave my deposition on October 22, I was not aware of this information. I am including it here for completeness."

    Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Europe and the Caucasus George Kent described efforts to start politically motivated investigations were infecting U.S. policy towards protecting Ukraine against Russian aggression.[4] President Trump's personal attorney conducted a smear campaign against an anti-corruption U.S. official, former Ambassador Yovanavitch.

    George P. Kent, a senior State Department official and one of two star witnesses at Wednesday’s impeachment hearing, testified that Rudolph W. Giuliani, President Trump’s personal lawyer, conducted a smear campaign against the United States ambassador to Ukraine and led an effort to “gin up politically motivated investigations,” according to a copy of his opening statement.

    Mr. Kent, the deputy assistant secretary of state for Europe and the Caucasus, appeared before the House Intelligence Committee Wednesday morning along with William B. Taylor Jr., the top American diplomat in Ukraine, for the first public impeachment hearing as Democrats began to build their case that Mr. Trump committed extortion, bribery or coercion by trying to enlist Ukraine to help him in the 2020 elections.

    In his opening statement, Mr. Kent said that he concluded by mid-August that Mr. Giuliani’s efforts to pressure President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine to open investigations into Mr. Trump’s rivals “were now infecting U.S. engagement with Ukraine, leveraging President Zelensky’s desire for a White House meeting.”

    Mr. Kent also assailed what he called a “campaign to smear” American officials serving in Ukraine, which succeeded with the ouster of Marie L. Yovanovitch, the former United States ambassador to Ukraine.
     
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    Jordan is trotting out the fake media, what about their party, let's have a stalemate defense..why won't the dems kneel down and pledge their lives to the monarch? After we got caught we wrote the check! Why do we need a state department? …...Schiff was clear as a bell about the constitution and why impeachment is necessary...Trump could cut a deal now and move on to his next reality tv show
     
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    nice mischaracterization, but then again, you play the same game trump does, in other words, lie when nothing else works.
     
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    or check any outhouse
     
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    Huh?
     
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    Dems are on a wild goose chase. They've always wanted to impeach Trump and probably will, but the Senate won't remove. It all comes down to the votes and the makeup of Congress/Senate and will be down party lines. Nothing will be done based on any kind of evidence, the Dems hate Trump and will vote to impeach him no matter what (this has been their goal since day 1) and the republicans will vote to keep him there no matter what.

    Its a huge waste of time to follow for most normal people with things going on in their lives. If you hate Trump though, it may give you some jerk off material, much like the Mueller probe but will ultimately leave you unsatisfied. If you are a Trump supporter, it will just show you how the dems are targeting Trump and have been.
     
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    Wow, talk about "Fake News".
     
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    He's easy to catch...more like a wild orange guy shuffle
     
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    It's like eating Chinese food...10 minutes later you just want to do it all over again!
     

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