Politics Public Impeachment Hearings

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    Sondland testified that Trump previously said these words after the ambassador asked the president what he wanted from Ukraine.

    "It was a very short, abrupt conversation," the ambassador said. "He was not in a good mood, and he just said, 'I want nothing. I want nothing. I want no quid pro quo. Tell Zelensky to do the right thing."

     
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    Ummm, that's not Pompeo saying that...can you not read?
     
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    Lol...yeah, again, Trump said those words "A MONTH AFTER" he was notified of the whistle blower complaint.

    Your boy got caught, period. Much like the little boy who got disciplined for taking a cookie out of the cookie jar, once he was caught it was too late to put the cookie back in the cookie jar.


    For that weak attempt, I award you no points.
     
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    The State Department IS Pompeo,

    Learn your government, then post. :cheers:
     
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    One more time and please read S L O W L Y this time...the quote is not from Pompeo.

    Learn the English language, then post.
     
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    https://nypost.com/2019/11/20/sondlands-bombshell-turns-out-to-be-merely-his-presumption/

    Sondland’s ‘bombshell’ turns out to be merely his ‘presumption’
    By Post Editorial Board

    November 20, 2019 | 7:28pm

    Gordon Sondland was supposed to be the key witness in the impeachment drive — the guy who’d nail the coffin shut on Donald Trump’s presidency. Yet his most “damaging” testimony in long hours of questioning Wednesday turned out to rest on nothing but mere assumptions.

    Sondland opened the hearing by asserting that Team Trump imposed a “quid pro quo” on Ukraine. He said requests by Trump’s lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, conditioned a White House visit for President Volodymyr Zelensky on a Ukrainian public statement “announcing investigations of the 2016 election/DNC server and Burisma.” And Sondland assumed Rudy was following Trump’s orders.

    Eventually, he also “came to believe” that US security aid depended on Ukraine publicly “committing to the investigations of the 2016 election and Burisma,” as Giuliani insisted.

    Yet Sondland noted that “we did not think we were engaging in improper behavior” — that no one expressed any concerns. And he admitted that Trump never told him of any “preconditions” for aid or a meeting.

    Asked outright, “No one on this planet told you that President Trump was tying aid to investigations. Yes or no?”, he answered, “Yes.”


    The followup: “So you really have no testimony today that ties President Trump to a scheme to withhold aid from Ukraine in exchange for these investigations.”


    Sondland’s answer: “Other than my own presumption.”


    Indeed, when he directly asked Trump what he sought from Ukraine, the president responded: “I want nothing. I want no quid pro quo. Tell Zelensky to do the right thing.”

    For weeks, Sondland testified, he saw no link between investigations and aid or a Trump-Zelensky meeting. And, he stressed repeatedly, he had no clue at all, ’til “late in the game,” that Joe or Hunter Biden was remotely tied to any of this.

    He also admits his current take on it all is shaped by what he’s read about others’ testimony — not his own recollections.

    Sondland was an amiable, charming witness, plainly eager to please each questioner. That may make for a good diplomat, but it rendered his testimony confusing and contradictory — and basically worthless.
     

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    Translation: You're a world away from impeachment, let alone jail time.
     
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    And you're a world away from, well, the world...............Reality is not your friend.
     
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    Sure, OK. It was a very bad day for Adam Schiff. His eyes said it all.
     
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    Ahhhh, Faux News strikes again. But hey, ignore the facts and just keeping regurgitating someone else's drivel.
     
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    I will.
     
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    Trump impeachment based on unreliable presumptions, rumor and innuendo – Not facts

    By Gregg Jarrett | Fox News

    The House Intelligence Committee’s impeachment hearing Wednesday posed a conundrum. Better yet, let’s call it a riddle. When is a “quid pro quo” not a “quid pro quo?” The answer is … when it’s “presumed.”

    U.S. Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland testified that there was a “quid pro quo” between the U.S. and Ukraine, even though President Trump made it crystal clear to Sondland that there was no “quid pro quo.”

    So, how did the ambassador arrive at his opinion that a “quid pro quo” must somehow exist? It turns out that he assumed or “presumed” it. At one point, he called it a mere “guess.”


    The trouble with presumptions and guess-work is that they are often unreliable and sometimes quite wrong. Assumptions and suppositions, by their nature, can be risky and foolish. We should trust only in what we know that is derived from facts. This was the fatal flaw in Sondland’s narrative.

    Here is what we actually know: Nowhere in the July 25 telephone call between President Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky is there evidence of a demand, threat, condition or pressure for a “quid pro quo.” None. That is a demonstrable fact, as proven by a transcript of the conversation that the White House released to the public. Read it for yourself.

    There is no mention of military aid in exchange for an investigation into either election meddling by Ukraine in 2016 or a potential corrupt act by former Vice President Joe Biden. Indeed, the U.S. financial assistance was delivered to Kiev and there was no investigation launched.

    We also know that President Trump personally informed Sondland: “I want nothing, I want nothing. I want no quid pro quo.”

    The ambassador confirmed this exculpatory statement Wednesday. It was nearly identical to what he said in his earlier deposition when he testified that the president told him: “I want nothing. I don’t want to give them anything and I don’t want anything from them.” Sondland then elaborated by stating: “He (President Trump) kept repeating no quid pro quo over and over again.”


    Yet, throughout his testimony Sondland seemed to oscillate wildly from contradiction to confusion to vacillation. He conspicuously omitted from his lengthy opening statement what proved to be the most stunning revelation of all. He told the committee: “I never heard from President Trump that aid was conditioned on an announcement” of investigations.

    Here is the important exchange:

    Question: Did the president ever tell you personally about any preconditions for anything?

    Sondland: No.

    Question: OK. So, the president never told you about any preconditions for the aid to be released?

    Sondland: No.


    The counsel for Republicans seemed dumbfounded that the ambassador would bury the lead. Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, was more direct. He mockingly suggested that Sondland’s omission was a deliberate attempt to hide direct evidence that exonerates the president, while emphasizing Sondland’s presumptive illusion of wrongdoing.

    Despite the president’s repeated denial of a “quid pro quo,” how did Sondland reach a contrary conclusion? Sondland surmised it.

    While other witnesses have relied on a gossip chain of hearsay and conjecture, the ambassador appears to have invested himself in little more than a hunch. This, of course, was warmly embraced by the mainstream media mob. Consider the devastating cross-examination by Rep. Mike Turner, R-Ohio:

    Question: If you pull up CNN today, right now, their banner says “Sondland ties Trump to withholding aid.” Is that your testimony today, Ambassador Sondland? Because I don’t think you’re saying that.

    Sondland: I’ve said repeatedly, congressman, I was presuming.

    Question: So no one heard. Not just the president. Giuliani didn’t tell you. Mulvaney didn’t tell you. Nobody. Pompeo didn’t tell you. Nobody else on this planet told you that Donald Trump was tying aid to these investigations. Is that correct?

    Sondland: I think I already testified.


    Question: No, answer the question. No one on this planet told you that Donald Trump was tying this aid to the investigation? Because if your answer is yes, then the chairman is wrong. And the headline on CNN is wrong. No one on this planet told you that President Trump was tying aid to investigations. Yes or no?

    Sondland: Yes.

    Question: So you really have no testimony today that ties President Trump to a scheme to withhold aid from Ukraine in exchange for these investigations.

    Sondland: Other than my own presumption.


    Throughout four days of tortured hearings, Americans have been force-fed the gruel of speculation, interpretation, opinion, multiple hearsay, and now “presumptions.”

    This is impeachment by rumor and innuendo. And that is no presumption.

    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/gre...ble-presumptions-rumor-and-innuendo-not-facts
     
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    Dewey Wins!
     
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    Not at all surprised that you admitted it.
     
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    Schiff's Quid Pro Novice is a real sight to behold.
     
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    Yeah, I thought so too...but you omitted the "quo".
     

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