Game Thread GAME# 17: BLAZERS @ CAVALIERS - NOVEMBER 23, 2019 - SATURDAY, 5:00 PM, NBCSNW

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by Darkwebs, Nov 21, 2019.

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If you could cut one player on our roster (removing their contract from our cap), who would it be?

Poll closed Nov 24, 2019.
  1. Carmelo Anthony

    2.2%
  2. Kent Bazemore

    11.1%
  3. Mario Hezonja

    22.2%
  4. Skal Labissiere

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. CJ McCollum

    11.1%
  6. Anthony Tolliver

    33.3%
  7. Gary Trent Jr.

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. Hassan Whiteside

    8.9%
  9. Other Blazer not listed

    6.7%
  10. Nobody. I like all the players on the current roster.

    4.4%
  1. JDC

    JDC Well-Known Member

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    Any stat worth a damn says we were better when Zach was on the floor on both ends.

    His injury was crippling.
     
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    Blazers1977 Well-Known Member

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    Maybe it wasn’t practical to keep him, I don’t know. But if we could have, we should have.
     
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    Even though I know this is happening, I still can't believe this is happening.
     
  4. TorturedBlazerFan

    TorturedBlazerFan Well-Known Member

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    You’re not even really making an argument, but whatever.

    Trevor Ariza is maybe a decent comparison, can fit in certain systems not in others.

    Im going to bed, lets beat Chicago and get some wins.
     
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    IIRC it wasnt really an option, but there are people with better cap knowledge than I.
     
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    I don’t know enough about the financial side of things to judge. All I know is aminu was underrated by fans and in general. His defense was awesome. He could force the other teams best player into a hard shot almost every possession, that is invaluable.
     
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    The argument is aminu was a great defender and even an adept scorer in the playoffs, per his playoff stats, and the fact that he was often on the weak side when doubles were drawn to dame doesn’t change that.

    aminu played his dick off for this team and he is spoken of like an average scrub after one bad series. Sigh.
     
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    We could actually rebound with Zach+Whiteside on the floor.

    Gave us a mobile 5 option vs downsized lineups that could spread the floor, cover ground, protect the rim and switch pnr...

    I'm admittedly a Zach stan, but his value to this team goes so far beyond his box score based stats.
     
  9. TorturedBlazerFan

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    I really need to get my kids to bed, but when I say average NBA role player that doesnt make you a scrub... A scrub is the guys who don't belong on the court. Aminu does and can have a role for a good team. My issue with the last few years was that Harkless and Aminu combo as starting forwards just did not provide enough consistent offense. They both belong in the NBA, and an average NBA role player is still among the best in the whole world, theres nothing at all wrong with being an average NBA role player. All that said to me Aminu is also sort of replaceable, at least easier to replace then a star or borderine star like CJ has been.

    If they couldve kept Aminu ok, but you either have him on the bench or pair him with a guy like Hood who can be a more consistent threat.
     
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    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    Aminu's only a role player? Why are you shitting on him like that?
     
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    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    Great defender who never got a vote for all-defensive team. Hmmm...
     
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    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    For sure. Problem is, it shouldn't be fatal.
     
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    When you start Dame-CJ-Hood and your two other 5's are slow reacting sloth's, it isn't far off.
     
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    The offense should be top 10, if not top 5 with those guys though.

    And we shouldn't be this bad defensively. Stotts sucks.
     
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    We are not playing well at all, that's clear. And Stotts plays a part in that.

    But an already unbalanced roster became so much more so with Zach going down plus the corresponding Melo addition (I don't think it happens if Zach's healthy).

    Killed our lineup flexibility.
     
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    rebound rate:

    Hassan Whiteside 21.5
    Skal Labissière 15.4
    Mario Hezonja 13.0
    Nassir Little 12.0
    Carmelo Anthony 10.5
    Kent Bazemore 9.5
    Anthony Tolliver 9.3
    Gary Trent 7.0
    Zach Collins 7.0

    defensive rebound rate (something killing the Blazers):

    Hassan Whiteside 29.3
    Mario Hezonja 22.4
    Kent Bazemore 17.6
    Skal Labissière 17.5
    Carmelo Anthony 17.0
    Nassir Little 16.1
    Anthony Tolliver 14.5
    Damian Lillard 11.6
    Gary Trent 10.5
    Rodney Hood 9.8
    CJ McCollum 9.7
    Zach Collins 9.3
     
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    Zach + Whiteside = 82nd percentile Dreb rate

    We currently rank last in Dreb rate for the season.

    Not sure what else needs to be said.
     
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    I think that stat is extremely debatable as long as you attribute it to Zach; he can't have had those bad of rebounding rates and been a primary factor in rebounding, especially on the defensive glass. I mean for chrissakes CJ was out-rebounding Zach on the defensive boards. So yeah, there's plenty more that needs to be said.

    I get that you are a big fan of Zach, but he's simply not a good rebounder. Maybe he will become one, maybe he won't. But he sure as hell was not a good rebounder in the first 3 games

    by the way, I'm not sure where you're getting those rebond rates? in the first 3 games, Portland had defensive rebounding rates of 76.1%, 72.9%, 77.4%. Hard to get to 82% from there, and if there's a stat of just those 2 guys, it's essentially useless without knowing who the other 3 guys were and what they were doing on the glass
     
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    Why not? It's all part of the game. Take the players that are solid and build a good team. It can happen very fast with the core players they have.
     
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    There's a lot more that goes into rebounding at a team level than just who grabs the rebound.

    What type of shots are you giving up? How often does your defense break down? Are shot attempts happening during emergency help situations?

    Yes, a part of it is who Zach's being replaced with. Some think Skal should play PF, but I'm not sure how anybody can't watch him move and react on the floor and think that would be a good idea.
     
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