Game Thread GAME# 17: BLAZERS @ CAVALIERS - NOVEMBER 23, 2019 - SATURDAY, 5:00 PM, NBCSNW

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by Darkwebs, Nov 21, 2019.

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If you could cut one player on our roster (removing their contract from our cap), who would it be?

Poll closed Nov 24, 2019.
  1. Carmelo Anthony

    2.2%
  2. Kent Bazemore

    11.1%
  3. Mario Hezonja

    22.2%
  4. Skal Labissiere

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. CJ McCollum

    11.1%
  6. Anthony Tolliver

    33.3%
  7. Gary Trent Jr.

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. Hassan Whiteside

    8.9%
  9. Other Blazer not listed

    6.7%
  10. Nobody. I like all the players on the current roster.

    4.4%
  1. wizenheimer

    wizenheimer Well-Known Member

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    sure...but it's crazy for you to track down one statistic and use that to justify saying Zach is essential to defensive rebounding rate when CJ out-rebounds him. We're both dealing with a ridiculously small sample size, but you were the one that tried to make something out of a 3 game sample

    we can look at last season for guidance:

    * when Zach was on the floor, Portland had a 27.1% offensive reb rate; off the floor, Portland had a 31.1% rate; -4.0

    * when Zach was on the floor, Portland had a 73.9% defensive reb rate; off the floor, Blazers had a 75.6% rate; -1.7

    * Zach on the floor, a total reb rate of 50.5%; off the floor, 53.4% rate; -2.9

    * last season, Zach's offensive reb rate was 8.8% vs this season at 4.7%

    * last season, Zach's defensive reb rate was 16.5% vs this season 9.3%

    putting all those numbers together logically makes your assertion shaky beyond belief. The potential of 'blocking out' isn't worth that much

    http://www.82games.com/1819/18POR15.HTM
     
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  2. wizenheimer

    wizenheimer Well-Known Member

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    by the way, I caught just a few snippets of the game during commercials of the Duck debacle

    every time I saw Dame use a screen (about 3-4 times) I say the Cavs jump the screen and double Dame. Did they do that all night?
     
  3. JDC

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    Different role on a different roster. We were also a dominant rebounding team with Hark-Aminu-Nurk (all 3 of which Zach rarely played with) so there's a bit of context missing in those one off numbers.

    But yes, Zach struggles on the boards when he's the only big / rim protector and alongside no other above average defensive rebounder.

    If we had an adequate replacement, it wouldn't be nearly the issue it is.
     
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  4. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    Sounds like we agree.
     
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    hoopsjock Well-Known Member

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    I've been saying the last two games Melo and Tolliver started that Little should play the SF in those situations so at least we have 3 bigger forwards if there isn't going to be a center.

    For some reason Little is only allowed to play PF. Sound familiar? It's the same thing Stotts did with Aminu.
     
  6. SIeepwalker

    SIeepwalker The lone sane poster

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    I wish
     
  7. SIeepwalker

    SIeepwalker The lone sane poster

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    Our offense is so fucking ugly

    You know how in practice sometimes you have those drills where you're not allowed to dribble ? Stotts probably has drills where you're not allowed to pass instead
     
  8. SIeepwalker

    SIeepwalker The lone sane poster

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    Thompson was really good, looked lik an all-star ! I wonder why !
     
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    SIeepwalker The lone sane poster

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    Simons with 14 minutes.

    When you're a young player playing under Stotts you better not have 2 not great game in a row or you can go fuck yourself

    If you're CJ though you're good don't worry about it
     
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    This one pretty much sucked.
     
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    Portland shot better than Cleveland and still lost the game. Look no further than the rebounding discrepancy. We are getting mauled on the boards and where the FUCK is Joakim Noah?? And if you’re going to be irresponsible and not bring in a god damn center at least give Moses a chance. I don’t care that he’s not ready he can still grab boards.
     
  12. TBpup

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    Noah or Moses...seems like a solution of biblical proportions.
     
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    Almost have to think Olshey is in on the tank. If he comes up with a big trade in the next couple days that required an open roster spot; then I'll apologize. :)
     
  14. Wade Garrett

    Wade Garrett Exactly right.

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    "Instead of the guys on here...."
    Would you like cream and sugar with your morning cup of ego?..
    I'll make up my own mind, thank you just the same.
     
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  15. TorturedBlazerFan

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    I would! :)
     
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    Strenuus Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    My ego already poured me a cup!
     
  17. SIeepwalker

    SIeepwalker The lone sane poster

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    Yeah, I have no idea why we're getting outrebounded so bad.... wait, who did Stotts start at center again ?
     
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    now, here's where we agree. Olshey made some major miscalculations when he tore apart the previous roster and built this one. Tolliver and Hezonja? Those were just bad choices, and it left nothing behind Zack. It was the thinnest of ice and it shattered 100 minutes into the season. Then Olshey doubled-down on the stupidity by signing a 39 year old C coming of major foot surgery.

    last season, the PF rotation was Aminu/Zach/Harkless. Staring the season with Zach/Tolliver/Hezonja was a major downgrade...then Zach got hurt, and now we have Melo/Tolliver/Hezonja....only not quite because Tolliver is playing C. That's pretty nauseating.
     
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    Course it really didn't make difference who was playing. They were getting crushed.
     
  20. HailBlazers

    HailBlazers RipCity

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    You know what's essential to defensive rebounding? Getting stops. Without Zach Teams are scoring at will inside against us.
     

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