Kevin Love AGAIN (with poll)

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Would you trade for Kevin Love?

  1. Yes for anyone other than Lillard and McCollum

    0 vote(s)
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  2. Yes for anyone other than Lillard, McCollum or Nurkic

    8.3%
  3. Yes for scrubs

    47.2%
  4. Not at any price

    44.4%
  1. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    Frankly, this deal screams to have a third team included to absorb a cap hit.
     
  2. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    I hate to say it, but if things work out, after this year Love will be a 25-28 mpg player rotating between the 4 and 5 with Nurkic and Collins. You don't pay that kind of money for that level of player.
     
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  3. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    Hes getting 15 & 10. Hes not an all-star anymore. Players decline with age.
     
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    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    If he was on a two year contract, my opinion on this would be different. For as little as Otto Porter has done this year, hes still a better option.
     
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    hoopsjock Well-Known Member

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    I know you're joking but when we're granted the Disabled Player Exception he's a player we could bring in without giving up anything in a trade if he tells Atlanta he would be up for it.
     
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    I'd much rather have someone like Aaron Gordon than Love. Hell, Rudy Gay even.
     
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    julius Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    A A Ron?
     
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    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    One of my fav K&P skits

     
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    Otto is likely out for the year although they don't really say that yet. He been out for a month now and they say they will evaluate him in a month or so. Both Love and Porter look like bad choices right now as they won't really make a big dif. If we can get them for Bazemore and some 2nds ok, but not more.
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    I'd rather trade for Draymond.
     
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    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    Crawford, ugh. I'd rather have one of you mutts than Crawford.
     
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    Sounds good. Crawford and I are about the same size and age. About time for us to have the same bank balance as well.
     
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    He's a defense guy. We want firepower!
     
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    According to The Athletic's Joe Vardon (on RipCityMornings), Cleveland is already set to have about $30+M in cap space this summer, so they're not really interested in dumping Love solely for salary relief. They're (allegedly) more interested in taking other teams' longer contracts on players that would be more interested in participating in a rebuild than Love would.

    Now, I have no idea who fits that bill, but that's the latest scuttlebutt.
     
  15. TorturedBlazerFan

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    CJ and Love are names, but they aren't stars. Love was one at one time but no more. CJ has never been one

    the only part of a "big-4" there is salary:

    next season...

    Damian Lillard $31,626,953
    Kevin Love $31,300,000
    CJ McCollum $29,354,152
    Jusuf Nurkić $12,000,000
    Rodney Hood $6,003,900
    Zach Collins $5,406,255
    Anfernee Simons $2,252,040
    Nassir Little $2,210,640
    Mario Hezonja $1,882,867
    Gary Trent $1,663,861
    (Andrew Nicholson) $2,844,429
    (Anderson Varejão) $1,913,345

    about 129M in guaranteed and dead salary for 10 players. If you assume a static cap (China), then the Blazers are about 3M below the tax line. They'd have to add at least 3 players so there would be almost no way they could stay out of the tax

    and there are some obvious issues with that roster. They only have 3 guys over 6'8 and two of them are currently injured while the 3rd has missed an average of 35 games in each of the last 3 seasons. Assuming Hood has a bad season because of his Achilles, Portland's wing depth would be Little, Trent, & Hezonja...and that's pretty scary. That's simply not a very good team and it has the same issues with depth this year's team has, and may be worse

    where it gets interesting is the following year:

    Damian Lillard $43,750,000
    Kevin Love $31,300,000
    CJ McCollum $30,864,198
    Jusuf Nurkić $12,000,000
    Anfernee Simons $3,938,818
    Nassir Little $2,316,240
    (Andrew Nicholson) $2,844,429

    there's 131M for only 6 players.... [​IMG]

    and that doesn't include Zach and his extension. And remember, the Blazers will be in the repeater tax bracket that season.
     
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    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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  18. CupWizier

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    Your opinion of McCollum isn't shared by very many of the analysts, coaches and players around the league and I put a hell of a lot more weight on their opinions than yours who has constantly only looked for negatives and ignore the positives when it comes to McCollum.
     
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    another rumor

    https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/o...MMMacywPQnlbJtZOK0tzyh-zTOYV8zEvs9WgJhSZCATTk
     
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    yeah, I know, but several have asked how the Blazers could afford the roster with Love on it, so....obviously, if Jody Allen is willing to pay 120M in luxury tax (guess) over 4 seasons, all those numbers don't mean a lot

    but as long as we're talking about Whiteside for Love, more buzzkill:

    PER: Love 17.5....Whiteside 25.7
    TS%: Love .595....Whiteside .644
    off reb rate: Love 3.3%....Whiteside 13.4%
    def reb rate: Love 35.5%....Whiteside 31.5%
    total reb rate: Love 18.8%....Whiteside 22.5%
    assist rate: Love 13.9%....Whiteside 7.7%
    turnover rate: Love 17.3%....Whiteside 14.0%
    winshares/48: Love .086....Whiteside .289
    def BPM: Love -0.1....Whiteside +2.9
    BPM: Love 0.0....Whiteside 3.5

    now, some of those numbers are skewed to Whiteside's advantage because the Blazers have twice the wins, but still, this is really one-sided in Whiteside's favor. It wouldn't be like Portland was adding Love to the existing team. They'd be trading away their 2nd best player statistically, by far

    more than that is this would be a repeat of the bets made this summer that have turned out so poorly: those being that Portland could sacrifice defense and rebounding in favor of hypothetically better offense and come out ahead of the game. I got really tired of hearing how much better fit players like Bazemore, Hezonja, and Tolliver were going to be than players like Aminu and Harkless; and how Simons and Collins were going to pick up any slack. The same things are being said about Love now, but because of his deal, it doesn't offer the out of an expiring contract if the gamble fails
     
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