Kevin Love AGAIN (with poll)

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Would you trade for Kevin Love?

  1. Yes for anyone other than Lillard and McCollum

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  2. Yes for anyone other than Lillard, McCollum or Nurkic

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  3. Yes for scrubs

    47.2%
  4. Not at any price

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  1. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    Likely out for the year according to what? Latest report is hes out for a month.

    Even with him being out, it sti makes sense because he provides far more upside if healthy than Bazemorez and his contract will be a big expiring next year while Bazemore will be off his. Porter is a good choice regardless of injury due to his contract situation.

    Hes better than Love because Loves contract is a negative asset. Itd take less to get Porter. He's also a better shooter and defender.
     
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  2. wizenheimer

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    I'll pay attention to that just as soon as you show me the paperwork authorizing you to speak for all the "analysts, coaches and players". Until then, we're is just two guys yapping at each other thru keyboards

    but interesting you mentioned the "players"....here was how the players voted last year for the all-star game when it came to the back court:

    Kyrie Irving 190
    Stephen Curry 161
    James Harden 153
    Kemba Walker 98
    Bradley Beal 62
    Victor Oladipo 58
    Russell Westbrook 54
    Ben Simmons 43
    Dwyane Wade 41
    Kyle Lowry 38
    Derrick Rose 36
    Damian Lillard 31
    Devin Booker 26
    Jamal Murray 21
    DeMar DeRozan 20
    Mike Conley 19
    Zach LaVine 17
    Eric Bledsoe 17
    D'Angelo Russell 15
    Spencer Dinwiddie 15
    Jrue Holiday 15
    Malcolm Brogdon 14
    J.J. Redick 14
    Klay Thompson 13
    CJ McCollum 12

    so then, when players had a chance last year to cast votes for who the 'star' guards were in the league, CJ came out 25th in voting. Again, that's just guards; 26 front court players had more votes than CJ. In other words, CJ finished 51st among players in 'star power', as voted by the players. Not even top-50

    https://www.basketball-reference.com/allstar/NBA_2019_voting-backcourt-western-conference.html

    as to coaches, I'm not sure if CJ has ever received any all-star votes from coaches. But I think we have an even better gauge: whenever a team game plans for Portland they do about the same thing, year after year, especially in the playoffs. That thing is to focus their defense on Lillard. They double him, hedge their defense in his direction, trap him, and try to deny him the ball. Meanwhile, they single cover CJ. They don't worry about him or hedge their defense his direction, and it's pretty obvious teams (coaches) don't think CJ can consistently beat them. CJ is never treated as a star by an opposing defense. He never faces the type of defensive attention that true stars and #1 options face. CJ drafts off of the attention teams pay to Dame

    CJ scores a lot of points because he plays a lot of minutes and takes a lot of shots. That doesn't make him a real star, IMO
     
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  3. TorturedBlazerFan

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    Course the Players also picked Drose, Victor Olidipo, Kemba, Bradley Beal, and Dwade above Dame...
     
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    Love for Baze + Skal + Tolliver + 1st round pick works. This is a trade for the next 2 seasons with Dame in his prime. Year 3 might be awful, but it's an expiring deal in year 4.
     
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    sure, as in every all-star game there will be some wacky results

    BUT....cup was yapping about how well-respected CJ is by the players (without any evidence), and I thought it was relevant to point out a time when players actually had a chance to show that respect
     
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  6. TorturedBlazerFan

    TorturedBlazerFan Well-Known Member

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    I understand, but reading the list, the Players are just flawed in picking that stuff as we are.
     
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    Wiz, great points.
    However, in all fairness to CJ - he did have 1 game where he really did make the other team pay for this approach (Game 7 in Denver).... but again he hasn't shown the ability to do that consistently.
     
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    Do you get your info from Fox and Friends? Last year he was ranked 12th in voting for the all star team by the players as well as 10th the year before and 5th the year before that. The media voted him 6th last year and 7th the previous year.

    https://www.basketball-reference.com/allstar/NBA_2019_voting.html

    Combining east and west voting doesn't paint an accurate picture as the voting is done by conference. Last year ESPN ranked McCollum 30th over all for all players in the NBA.

    Just keep on hating a player for a team you allegedly like.
     
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    it's the same information, same data, same result.

    CJ was 12th last year among WC guards and 27th among all WC players. That's right 27th. So then, it sure seems players don't quite agree with you otherwise CJ wouldn't be on the all-western-conference 6th team...is that about 3 tiers below honorable mention?

    you're the one who tried to pretend you had coaches and players supporting your opinion. Don't be annoyed when some evidence, however debatable, disproves the assertion. And LOL at you now trying to use an ESPN ranking as a valid argument. You and Stephen A Smith...yeah, that's persuasive
     
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    When you continually misrepresent what people say and post and continually cherry pick information and ignore what doesn't fit your narrative then I see no value in reading any more of your crap. I bet without going back you can't even remember what I even originally posted to you. Good bye!
     
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    yep...CJ had a great game 7 in that series, and Portland likely doesn't win that game without CJ

    But I'm not sure I've ever seen people lean so hard on one game as CJ fans have leaned on that one. It's like the first 6 games didn't matter.Blazers wouldn't have made it to a game 7 without Hood, Dame, and Kanter
     
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    if only your goodbyes were sincere, I've done my good work for the day.
     
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    Cugel The epitome of mediocrity

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    I have yet to see a package from Portland that would interest Cleveland. I mean skal tolliver and baze?? From their perspective that is garbage for a 5 time all star. Why would Cleveland want that? It would have to include value. Cj or Hassan plus Ant plus a pick. They aren't complete morons. if Portland wants him they will have to pay.
     
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    Exactly why it will not happen.
    Portland can't afford to give 'real assets' in a trade for Love (due to all the risks involved).
    Cleveland can't afford to give him up for nothing (due to his '5-time all-star' status). My guess is Love stays in Cleveland for quite a while.
     
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    julius Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    I think Cleveland is more motivated to not pay him 90 million while he regresses, than people are giving them credit for.
     
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    Baze’s contract is value cuz it comes off the book for them in summer. Baze plus pick plus Trent or Little.
     
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    Cugel The epitome of mediocrity

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    But any number of teams could provide them with equally "interesting" contracts. Every team has someone on a bad deal. So what is going to make them bite? Trent and Little?? No way. Would Neil trade CJ for Evan Tuner, a pick, Charlie Brown Jr. and Damian Jones?? He would have his drink coming out his nose if they offered him that for CJ.
     
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    Well, for starters, Kevin has to agree to go to a team. Also, if CJ was wanting out, and he limited his choices to only a few, it limits what they can take back. And if the team is interested in cap relief (even if it won't lead them to signing free agents), they might be equally interested in expiring contracts as they are young prospects.

    Thing is, it's doubtful that CJ would be traded for prospects, but would probably get an equally bad contract that would hamper things in the long run.
     
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    what? he has some kind of a no-trade clause?
     
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    It will be Baze, Labissière, Little and a first for Love.
     

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