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  1. Fez Hammersticks

    Fez Hammersticks スーパーバッド Zero Cool

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    The fact that this team only has five more wins than the Warriors is inexcusable.

    How long can Neil continue to use Nurk as a crutch?
     
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    Nurk as a crutch? Where has Olshey been using Nurkich as a crutch? It is a fact that he is an integral part of the team and has been out all season.
     
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    julius Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    I would guess it's because their bench is stronger than Portlands?

    Also, all injuries are not the same.

    Siakam has been out 5 games. Lowry was out for a stretch earlier in the year (but Siakam wasn't out).

    they also played 6 shitty teams (including Portland) in that stretch.

    Powell missed the same games as Siakam, and they're 3-2 in that stretch. Plus, everyone talks about how great the win @ boston was, well, it came right after they lost @ home to Boston, by the same amount of points.


    Ibaka missed games earlier, but not when their best player was out.

    And also, like I said earlier, all injuries are not the same.

    Nurk, out for most of the year if not all of it.
    Collins most likely out for all of the season too.
    Hood? Gone until next year at the best.

    Their injuries? 10 games, 11 games, and 5 and 5 games. NONE of their injuries are season long where you have to make drastic changes to your lineup. Teams can handle short stretches where you are missing players. Bench players tend to be bench players for a reason (they're young/up and coming or they're old or just not that good). They can cover for short periods but to expect them to perform similar to the starters (for longer stretches of time) is not realistic. That's what has happened in Portland. We're expecting backups to perform at the pace that the starters were. The only positive is that Anthony and Hassan are performing positively. But at the expense of the depth (tho Anthony wouldn't be on the team if Collins had gotten hurt).

    Losing Nurk, Collins and Hood lost them 3 starters, for the rest of the season (most likely). If Lowry, Ibaka and Powell were gone for the rest of the year, then maybe the situations would be comparable.
     
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    Nick Nurse is a good coach. Stotts? Not so much.
     
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    mook The 2018-19 season was the best I've seen

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    Also doesn't hurt to play in the East. They've played 11 games against western conference teams. We've played 23.

    Also, they have 7 guys who have played in more than 80% of the games. We have 6.

    If I were to point to one statistic over any other, though, that didn't include injuries, it's that Hezonja and Tolliver have comined for 48 games played, averaging 16 minutes each. Until yesterday, neither had scored even 12 points in a game.

    I'm really struggling to remember a time when we got so fucking little out of a pair of forwards. That's not lack of heart or injuries or bad coaching. That's just two guys really, really sucking.

    It's so tiring hearing people bitch about our coaching. If you think Stotts sucks, go look and see how Harkless and Aminu are doing on their new teams. I'll make it easy. The quick answer is they look about as shitty as Tolliver and Hezonja do this year in the advanced metrics.

    It's a league loaded with versatile wingmen, and we have Carmello, Tolliver and Hezonja.

    *sigh* I've been wanting us to trade CJ for a long, long time. He's put up good numbers this year after an early slump, and I think his trade value is about as good as it's going to get. Ant isn't perfect, but he's at least a passable stopgap if we trade CJ. We have to trade CJ for length and defense and scoring at that 3/4 position.

    Thanks to the surprising production of Carmello and Ant's improvement, there's still time to save this season by at least getting into the playoffs. From there you hope some of our injured guys can contribute to winning basketball, and we get lucky and get to the second round. But I don't see it happening if we keep CJ.
     
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    I do think the "we're missing 3 starters" has a significant level of hollow excuse to it

    * Nurkic: Portland went 9-2 without Nurkic last season, and was 8-4 in the playoffs, making it to the WCF before they ran into a real contender. AND, Portland has very good replacement C in Whiteside who is actually better than Nurkic at some things. It's not like Portland has had to replace Nurkic with Skal or Joel Freeland. There's not a lot of statistical difference between Nurk's production last season and Whiteside's this season

    * Hood: Blazers were 8-12 with Hood this season, and 6-7 without him. Hood's individual numbers were good but he wasn't making a noticeable difference in the won/loss record

    * Zach: he's been missed, but perhaps the biggest reason for that is the roster hole that was behind him. When he went down all the Blazers had was Tolliver and Hezonja. IMO, Zach also wouldn't have had the type of impact on the won-loss record that some here imagine; he's simply not that good. Further, Portland's 2 giant weaknesses this season have been perimeter defense and rebounding. Zach is not good at either of those things

    certainly, there's a cumulative impact due to the number of injuries, but I don't see how anybody can watch this team and conclude the only thing wrong with it is injuries
     
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    This is spot-on.

    I'm a huge Collins fan but he's been extremely underwhelming. His development has been at a snail's pace.

    He's a decent shooter and has real potential as a p&p big, but he's essentially a Joel Przybilla that is in real danger of fouling out of a game before halftime right now.
     
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    That's why I don't think he's the starting four. I think he's a backup 4/5. I think that's a perfect role for him. I don't like him as our full time starting power forward.
     
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    It’s ridiculous and uninformed to not attribute our play this season to injuries. The NBA is still a big man’s game and we hardly have any.
     
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    You know Skals knee is bad if the results are "pending" and Moses Brown is headed back from G League
     
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    Neil needs to use the injured player exception to sign another big man
     
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    He probably tore something, and is out for the year.

    Usually others are the ones who say this kinda stuff.
     
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    When a team backslides as badly as the Blazers have, it is pretty unlikely that there is only one cause.
     
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    no need to rush; do I hear some kind of clanking noise?
     
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    That’s why I sit here and laugh at folks who think otherwise. We were never that good from the get go. We pretty much got use to playing without Nurk so stop using his injury as an excuse. Zach Collins? Oh please that dude isn’t worth THIS much losing.

    This team is a joke and would love to usher a fresh new era
     
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    oh god the king of fortune cookie quotes
     
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    We haven’t had only one injury.
     
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    You made a good argument why Collins injury was so important. The guys behind him are a level or two below. Another that you didn’t mention is that Collins can play center while the others can’t.
     
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    Behind Whiteside and Melo in the front court we have Tolliver, Little, and Brown....brutal...we need more help
     
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