Trade Idea Post and Discuss Trade Ideas for the 2019-20 Season

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  1. BonesJones

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    Yup, and even if we let Bazemore, Whiteside, and Skal walk, we'd only have about $13M in cap space to make moves. Compare that to us simply being over the cap and having either a $6M MLE or a $10M MLE, combined with the other factors you stated here, and it makes no sense to pursue cap space.

    I'm in favor of trying to land upgrades that are on "bad" two year deals instead of one, because those guys may be gettable without trading additional assets (for example, Bazemore and filler for Otto Porter Jr).

    If we did make that deal and Otto Porter Jr didn't pan out, then we'd have a large expiring next season to use in a win-now trade, which we'd likely be in much better position for, and in a trade market that may present better options than we have available this year. That's far better than letting our contracts expire then letting guys walk and trying to replace them with $12M which would result in us not being able to trade enough salary that we'd be willing to part with for anyone making $20M or more.
     
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    hoopsjock Well-Known Member

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    I think you misread his post. He was talking about the Bulls not the Blazers.
     
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    Chicago only gave up expirings and a protected 2nd round pick in 2023 to get Porter though. Why would his trade value be more than that right now considering he's barely played for Chicago since?

    The Bulls are a notoriously cheap organization and didn't invest much to get Porter so they wouldn't be trying to recoup a 1st they lost or anything like that. I think they'd be thrilled to get out of OPJ's contract next year.
     
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    I cannot disagree with the second part because i actually don't know their intentions. But, regarding the first part, it doesn't have to mean his value went up as it doesn't work like that. When two teams are making a trade one can be incompetent and lose the trade or have reasons to sell really cheap. The Wizards panicked last year with Oubre and Porter and they did bad deals. They wanted out to avoid tax for next seasons as they decided to break the team.
     
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    I’ve been watching warriors games on purpose lately and I’d probably prioritize Glenn Robinson over Burks (although either would be a nice addition)

    He’s often drawing the toughest perimeter assignment defensively and holding his own, while consistently knocking down shots. If he’s available, he’d be a very solid fit. If he’s not, Portland should pursue him in the summer anyway.
     
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    Between the hard cap, a full roster, and almost using up all of the call up days for Lee and Bowman it makes total sense for both teams to make this happen. I'm kind of surprised it hasn't already.
     
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    idk what Olshey is waiting for honestly. Maybe he’s ok with the team barely staying afloat until Nurk returns, although we’d still need wings either way.
     
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    We have wings.
    Baze & Trent are awesome 3&D wings. Why would we need more?
     
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    Yeah, the only thing I can think of is either there are bigger trades that would land us a wing or we'd need the roster spots for or he's been told with how the season is going to not add to the tax.
     
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    Kuzma sure looks like shit tonight
     
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    Kuzma isnt a good player, just because he’s lighting up the Blazers... Yogi ferrell lights up the Blazers. :dunno:
     
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    This trade idea probably will work best on draft day.

    Trade our #1 pick, plus one young player, maybe Trent? For:

    Cameron Johnson.
    3D SF/PF with 2 more years on his rookie contract. He checks a lot of the boxes we need filled. And fits into our bad cap situation.

    He has been productive coming off of the Sun's bench. And will have 2 seasons of NBA, and 5 seasons of college development.
     
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    He also lit up the Clippers on Christmas. He's better than you are giving him credit for.
     
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    how many good players have a negative vorp...? He gets hot once in a while, but that's about it.
     
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    Until the big trade(s) happens sometime before the February trade deadline, Olshey seems intent to keep the 15th roster spot open. Once January 6th comes, teams are allowed to sign players to 10-day non-guaranteed contracts with one 10-day extension allowed.

    I think that Olshey will sign someone (Noah?) on that date for 10-20 days and thus keep the 15th spot open if needed (or eventually offer it to the player that he signs).
     
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    one out of 3 years? C'mon tbf, you're sharper than that. That one year is also just a partial season. Do you always grade a player on one partial season using one obscure stat? Nobody is saying he is great, but he's not a bad player either. By the way, do bad players average 18.7 ppg in a full season? Yogi Ferrel never did and he is 2 years older than Kuzma. I'd take Kuzma on our team.
     
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    He's not "bad", I'd take him as a bench scorer type role. He's the type that can come in and when he's on, be a factor, but I think he's really, really bad on defense, and mostly a streaky shooter. I also think we wouldn't hear as much about him if he was in Denver instead of LA. I'm trying to think of a comp and it's alluding me at the moment. Cause he's not really a guy who creates his own shot much either like many bench scorers. Hmm.
     
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    It’s time. Go get Burks or Robinson. It would also make trading Bazemore easier.
     
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    By Jason Quick

    It’s also worth noting that the expiring contracts of Whiteside and Bazemore are not as attractive as they might be in other years, because teams taking on those contracts to get salary cap relief will be doing so in a summer when the free agent market is scarce.

    So it will be fascinating to watch what Olshey is able to pull off, if anything. My sense is he will try for the big splash, but his reluctance to part with his pillars and his prized youngsters will lead him to try and make steady, fill-the-void moves. Perhaps something small like Anthony Tolliver and second round picks for Juancho Hernangomez or something bigger like Bazemore for Marvin Williams.
     
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    my hunch is the biggest problem with expecting a good return from Portland's expiring contracts is the market...it's flooded:

    Hassan Whiteside $27,093,018
    Marc Gasol $25,595,700
    Chandler Parsons $25,102,511
    Serge Ibaka $23,271,604
    Danilo Gallinari $22,615,559
    Kent Bazemore $19,269,662
    Tyler Johnson $19,245,370
    Goran Dragić $19,217,900
    Jeff Teague $19,000,000
    Evan Turner $18,606,557
    Tristan Thompson $18,539,130
    Allen Crabbe $18,500,000
    Reggie Jackson $18,086,956
    Derrick Favors $17,650,000
    Andre Iguodala $17,185,185
    Bismack Biyombo $17,000,000
    Brandon Knight $15,643,750
    Ian Mahinmi $15,450,051
    Marvin Williams $15,006,250
    Marcus Morris $15,000,000
    Bobby Portis $15,000,000
    Mason Plumlee $14,041,096
    Jordan Clarkson $13,437,500
    Solomon Hill $13,258,781
    Michael Kidd-Gilchrist $13,000,000
    Courtney Lee $12,759,670
    Miles Plumlee $12,500,000
    Maurice Harkless $11,511,234
    Meyers Leonard $11,286,515
    Andre Roberson $10,740,741
    John Henson $9,732,396
    Matthew Dellavedova $9,607,500
    Fred VanVleet $9,000,000
    C.J. Miles $8,730,158
    E'Twaun Moore $8,664,928
    Bogdan Bogdanović $8,529,386
    Jae Crowder $7,815,533
    Joe Harris $7,670,000
    Langston Galloway $7,333,333
    D.J. Augustin $7,250,000
    Josh Jackson $7,059,480
    Dāvis Bertāns $7,000,000
    Marco Belinelli $5,846,154
    Aron Baynes $5,453,280
    Kris Dunn $5,348,007

    that's not a seller's market...just the opposite because you know a whole bunch of those guys are being shopped right now.

    so the question is how long of a contract would Portland be willing to add and which assets would the Blazers be willing to attach? Start with the notion that is the Blazers were willing to take on longer salary, they could have done so last summer. But they traded expirings for expirings

    it might also be a "too-little-too-late" situation. Most trades happen in that last week before the trade deadline, and if the Blazers, because of the brutal stretch of games ahead are 10-15 games under .500, is there any real value in making a trade?
     
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