Politics Jan 14 Dem Debate

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  1. yankeesince59

    yankeesince59 "Oh Captain, my Captain".

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    She may be in to top 4 but if she doesn't move up the ladder after Iowa, she's probably toast and she probably realizes that....and if anything, this spat hurt both her and Sanders...of course I could be wrong. Yeah, it's a bit early but I don't think her or Sanders has a snowball's chance in hell of winning the nomination. They're just too damn radical to suit me.
     
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  2. yankeesince59

    yankeesince59 "Oh Captain, my Captain".

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    Yeah, not a good look at all...I didn't see a winner between the two of them...I think they both lost a bit.
     
  3. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Y'know, I wouldn't worry so much about their radical-ness. Unlike Trump, they both believe in laws and process and consensus. While if they got elected they would think they had a mandate to pursue their objectives, pursuit and attainment are two very different things. Congress is not going just rubberstamp whatever they suggest.

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    I wish there was at least one candidate that I could feel some degree of excitement about. Warren and Sanders are pushing an agenda that I fundamentally disagree with. Joe would probably be my guy, but he stumbles over his tongue every time he speaks. Klobuchar, maybe. Mayor Pete? Probably gives me the least gas of this weak field. Dems has better hope the impeachment trial tars Trump with enough crap to do him in, otherwise I don’t think there’s a winner here.
     
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    Allegedly.

    Thanks.
     
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    They were for Hillary too big time.
     
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    Im thinking Pete still has a decent chance at Iowa?
     
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    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    Although I wish, I don't think so. This nomination is looking more and more like it's Biden's to lose.
     
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    How is it he threw the first punch, he was asked directly if he said it or not> The same question should have been, imo, asked of her, rather than how does it make you feel? It ended up working against her in my mind, but I agree with you that it wont make any diff with their sheep.
     
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    My mind says you are probably right in long run and he's a safe bet. The problem is Joe's campaigning over the years when he has run didn't go to well further along the trail.
    Hell, at this point I'd vote for Pete,Yang or Amy as at least they want to be a bit balanced with some key issues.
     
  11. Lanny

    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    Amy has less of a chance than Pete and Yang has no chance. Nope, like it or not I think we'd all better get ready for Biden nomination and probable victory.
    As for Sanders and Warren? Virtually no chance.
     
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    That was the way I saw it too. Moderator asked him why he said a woman couldn’t win the presidency and he said that the fact is he didn’t say it. Warren’s reaction in refusing to shake his hand and claiming he called her a liar on national TV was bizarre. If she has evidence that he did say that, show it to the press later and let Sanders deal with egg on his face.
     
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    Wonderful. 330 million people in this country and we end up with Biden vs Trump? Dementia vs Demented.

    What independents are going to run?
     
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    I dunno, but as an alternative/write-in candidate, I may go with Donald Duck.
     
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    Fair enough...point taken.
     
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    Too close. Someone might think you meant to vote for The Donald. Goofy? Nope, could go either way. Mickey Mouse? Ditto. It’s going to take some thought.
     
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    You are totally right, the framing of each of their questions was BS, but I dont think that is what he meant by saying Sanders threw the first punch. The story goes that Sanders threw the first punch by dis'ing Warren on a different issue. There was some coordination among staffers to organize talking points against Warren saying that she appeals to the elites of the party. Sanders said it happened but did not condone that strategy. I am not sure what he did specifically to punish those staffers, if anything at all. Warren then used that dis as a reason to drop the Sanders doesn't think women can win thing as a retaliation to Sanders new aggressive campaigning.

    My issues with this are

    1) is appealing to elites really a dis so worthy of retaliation? Warren should have ran with it like Pete and said I appeal to everyone, but I think she overplayed the wine cave attacks and was unable to go this route.

    2) Sanders admitted that there was a narrative that came from his campaign that he didnt approve of and came out against it, publicly squashing the issue.

    3) Warren just seemed to be waiting for an excuse to drop the Sanders doesn't think women can win issue, trying to make it look like Sanders is a sexist. Given plenty of opportunity to publicly squash the issue she chose instead to be coy with it and let the issue stay ambiguous and relevant.

    4) Warren fans are all to happy to jump on this bandwagon because many of them are 2016 Hillary supporters who blame everyone except Hillary for her loss. Comey, Trump, Russians and of course Sanders get most of the blame. If Sanders had only tried harder then Hillary would have got enough support to pull it out, they really hate that Sanders is still relevant and there are a lot of sour grapes there. Warren fans and Sanders haters are all to happy to say Sanders initiated this fight and was the aggressor.

    5) Hillary pulled the sexist card on Sanders a few times and it worked. Remember the 2016 debates when Hillary kept interrupting Sanders and he said "Excuse me I am talking". Hillary rolled that into sexist male hushing female moment that really damaged Sanders at the time. Warren is trying to pull from memories on that but is more transparent in her execution. Both are obvious political strategies that dont sit well with certain people like me. Sanders is one of the biggest anti sexist candidates out there and to smear him as a sexist to further your campaign as a woman is selling out your own cause and shows a serious character and ethical flaw in my opinion.
     
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    The charge was not that she appealed to elites, but rather that she only appealed to elites (and was thus unelectable).

    If he didn't fire or demote anyone over it, then his 'disapproval' means less than nothing. He's responsible for his campaign.

    I can see how Bernie fans think her attack was unfair. I can also see how Warren fans think his attack was unfair.

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    Is it fair to put Trump and Biden in the same any sort of category? I'm going to have use my vast power given to me by his Lordship, Sly, to veto that one.
     
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    ???...Not sure I get your drift...barfo and I were discussing Warren and Bernie...Trump and/or Biden was never mentioned.
     

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