OT Sell me on a better plan

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  1. Lanny

    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    Obama was dealing with an economic crisis threatening a worse recession than the 1939 one while Trump, who created our worst deficit ever and guaranteed we'd have huge deficits far into the future because of his reckless taxation policies, was dealing with a recovered economy. This is going to lead to cuts in Medicare, Social Security, Medicaid and all sorts of government assistance which Trump promised would never get cut. How can people fall for this. It's as if they belonged in a cult.
     
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    “Blind hatred”. Do you know what that means? Cuz this isn’t blind.
    No i didn’t vote for bill clinton.
    Do your own research as to why other people are better candidates. Nobody here is going to change your mind. And yes I am morally superior to Trump. What else you got?
     
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  3. Stevenson

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    Ridiculous. You wasted so much of our collective time.

    You didn't want a better a better plan or to be shown some better way. That was 100% BS. Reading the thread, you obviously just wanted a shticky way to reinforce your beliefs under the illusion that you were being open minded.

    That was my thoughtful answer. Sorry it didn't meet your standards, professor. That's how I analyze it. You want something better or more specific? Go to Bernie.com or Biden.com or whatever.

    Let's try it this way: Please prove to me why Trump's economic and climate change plans are better. And why his pathological lying is not detrimental to our institutions and country. Be specific and cite sources please. What, you don't what to to that? So surprising.

    You weren't serious at all or looking for a serious discussion.

    But like a dummy, I fell for the bait.
     
  4. calvin natt

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    Ditto
     
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    Hoopguru Well-Known Member

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    Setting goals is the easy part.
    Objective tactics, responsibilities & time lines are the tougher parts.

    example:
    Goal- remove trump from office
    Tactics - ?
     
  6. Orion Bailey

    Orion Bailey Forum Troll

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    You are right. Not Blind Hatred. Your Informed hatred has made you blind to anyone who disagrees with you having anyh valid points.

    What else I got? Well about 75% of my post that you conveniently dismissed because you had no answer and it doesn't fit your narrative.

    Other than that I got nothing for you because you ignored the initial post and its obvious you are just trolling and not wanting an actual mature constructive debate.

    Good Day Sir.
     
  7. Orion Bailey

    Orion Bailey Forum Troll

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    Okay, so lets get this straight. You gave me a bunch of generalized thoughts. I broke them down and responded in detail to them, including my thoughts, with links and explanations as to why I might agree or disagree. I agreed with a few comments and the ones I didnt, I explained why. And in turn you state this is ridiculous in a generalized format wihtout detailing my post? And you tell me I dont want a serious discussion? Okay whatever man.

    Now, to answer your question about putting it another way.... I don't need to. Im not the one screaming in every thread every day that the Dems are evil. If someone is goign to claim another sect is eveil eveyrday, you better damned well be prepared to offer solutions and other ideas or get off your high horse.

    You and Calvin have proven to have very miniscule debating skills, as I broke down your post very succinctly and provided detailed answers or thoughts to what you said. Its not my problem, you think painting others with broad strokes like Antifa is okay and a good way to debate.

    When you are ready for a mature and constructive debate, im here. Until then, take your Antifa debating tactics to the streets. They do no good in a forum where all youy have are words.



    Lastly, for both you and Calvin, when Trump isn't president in 5 or so years, and the world hasn't ended, I hope you look back at your behavior and tactics here and understand how off you guys were. I mean Calvins behavior on here is borderline obsessive and certainly not healthy.

    And that is what I call Blind Hatred. Blind to your own behavior based on your opinions having provided a rage of hate. Get control of your emo folks.......
     
  8. calvin natt

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    Lol
     
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  9. Stevenson

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    OB, again, you prove my point. I debate for a living. I am an attorney. I know how to construct an argument, and that is what I did. Sorry if you think that makes me Antifa or whatever, but the fact of the matter is that I am an avowed and quite successful capitalist, and debater, and have defended many a corporation. This just shows me again that you weren't serious.

    But I am willing to have you prove me wrong, so I will ask again:

    Please prove to me why Trump's economic and climate change plans are better. And why his pathological lying is not detrimental to our institutions and country. Be specific and cite sources please.
     
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    Haaaa. So good.
     
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    My man.
     
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    There is literally no chance in 5 years I will regret whatever I felt about Donald trump. Antifa? Lazy.
    Also, you’ll be thrilled to know I have NEVER voted for a Democrat. BUT I am not open minded to something new? The guy who didn’t vote for Clinton’s or Obama? You see, I watch, listen, learn, from new opinions based on what IS happening and CHANGE. Do you? Nope. Anyway, thanks again for wasting everyone’s time with your fake “sell me” post.
     
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    I don't think you're really telling the whole truth here.
    If I want peace vote a democrat, was Obama a president of Peace, did he not bomb Syria with reportedly like 30k bombs?
    https://www.cnn.com/2014/09/23/politics/countries-obama-bombed/index.html

    I'd actually venture to guess that Trump has done a lot less bombing then Obama did. I believe that a Democrat got us into Vietnam (I could be wrong there). I don't think you can really say with a straight face that the DNC is a serious contender for "peace" neither side really is.

    I never know what to make of the economical part of politics, I think the president doesn't have nearly the effect on it as people tend to say they do. I'll say this though, it's weird to me that you praise Obama for all the bailouts when Bush started it. They both failed the common man of the republic by keeping their rich friends rich and making the gap of the "rich" and "poor" wider and wider.

    I don't at all think that Obama was the boogeyman, I actually personally thought he seemed like a nice guy (same with Bush TBH).

    Your assertion is that the "Dems" fix all the problems the GOP make is so ridiculous in my opinion, it's picking and choosing the facts you want to tell, while not being honest about the totality of the nation's problems is bigger than one side or the other, and they each have their fair share of skeletons to hide.

    Oh, and Social progress is a very, very ambiguous set of terms that ties back to morality and what's right or wrong, who decides right or wrong, and is a much bigger topic than politics.

    I think you're absolutely wrong if you think that voting a Democrat means, "Putin, Xi, and other world leaders and sort of enemies" would be held in check all of a sudden because a Democrat is a president.

    You sure won't convince me to vote for a Democrat so maybe this is a pointless argument for both of us (I wouldn't vote for a Republican / Trump either), but I think you are somewhat guilty of only telling the side of the story you like, which I'll admit is fair if you're making an argument.
     
  14. Orion Bailey

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    what about the op do you not comprehend? I never said or hinted that trumps plans are better. So I'm not sure of your point.
    Ot much need in explaining anything further if you, a self label professional debater, cant understand the intent of the op i clearly spelled out in several posts.
    One more time in case you simply missed it.
    Im not. Trump supporter, but im a republican for my ideological beliefs. I stated in another post i don't like trump.
    So i don't understand the point of your question? To try to corner me into admitting he is a bad president? I already said that!!

    i don't know many of the details of the democratic format because all i hear. Out is trump this and trump that.

    If you cant answer the op without trying to twist things around, well then you are a good lawyer, not debater. A lawyer tries to hide facts that contradict their argument. A debater wants all the facts laid out to discuss.

    just because you are a lawyer doesn't mean jack. Most anyone knows lawyers only divulge what they need to legally to support their case.

    i asked legit questions in the op aNd you have yet to answer them.
    go back to court. You have yet to answer anything here.....

    my man. :)

    i have others in this thread who are proving more Civilized aNd showing the want of a mature debate. Ill focus on them.

    thanks for the effort.
     
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    lol...
    I've read two posts in this thread and have already found the same back and forth that turns people off to politics.

    OB stated a question.
    A response he got was.
    "No you''

    Time to ask for a refund on that higher education... Even a elementary school kid can fire stuff like that out in a debate.
     
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    I’ll gladly answer most questions. But not this one. Impossible to answer and potentially influence someone who needs to even ask it in the first place.
     
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    Oh boy! :biglaugh:

    You checked out of the thread long ago.
     
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    Dropping history knowledge.
     
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    one last ditch effort.

    so i may have made the mistake in my op of asking for a better plan than trump has. I did not mean that to seem like i think trump has some great plan and i can see how it might have seemed that way based on the context of the convo in that other thread.

    i should have asked to sell me on a democratic cMpaign platform that is better than the republicans. Not Trump.

    i dont care about trump. I don't have vitriol like some, but i don't think he is a good president by any means overall. But like most presidents, i have found myself on both sides of the battle, depending on the battle. Foreign relations, border control, etc.

    I wanted and have wanted to put him aside and debate the political ideologies of each party.

    im asking you and others to sell me on a better plan for the future. Im not sure why you think that is so hard or impossible to answer.
    Pick a topic of debate and lets go from there.

    If you are not willing or able to do that, then any type of breakdown is on you.

    If you want Trump out like i do, then this is the way. Im telling you you will gain more bees with honey than vinegar.

    last chance. Ball is in your court.
     
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    Well, I did try and I didn't say anything nasty to you.
     
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