Politics Iowa Democratic caucus results are plunged into crisis as party says it has found 'INCONSISTENCIES'

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    This distinction has always been with us. Whys do young democrats see it has a matter of education rather than real experience?
     
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    I suspect, Americans will go for more Trump, regardless of what the DNC does or doesn't do.
     
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    MSNBC's Maddow presses DNC chair Tom Perez over low Dem turnout in Iowa: 'They didn't turn out in droves!'
    By Joseph A. Wulfsohn | Fox News

    Lower-than-expected turnout in Iowa raises questions of voter enthusiasm for Democratic presidential field

    MSNBC host Rachel Maddow grilled Democratic National Committee (DNC) Chairman Tom Perez over the low turnout at Monday's Iowa caucuses, pointing out how Democrats "didn't turn out in droves" like in previous election cycles.

    Whiles technical errors with the voting system have plagued the Democrat Party over the past several days, some on the left are sounding the alarms after early results from the Iowa caucuses draw a parallel to the 2016 turnout, which was roughly 170,000 voters.

    In 2008, there were nearly 240,000 voters.

    During a sit-down on Thursday night, Maddow asked about the low turnout and whether it's a sign about the eventual general election outcome in November.

    "Let me tell you the concern that I've heard voiced about what happened in Iowa this week that is not about the process failures, but that is about the prospect of beating Donald Trump in November and it's that the turnout was flat," Maddow said. "In 2008, turnout in the Iowa caucuses was astronomical, broke all the records and by a lot. 2016, it came back down to earth. It appears that the turnout in Iowa this year was back down in that back-down-to-earth level."

    She continued, "When I look at the numbers broadly, big Democratic numbers in Iowa, in the Iowa caucuses tend to translate into Democrat Party wins in the general election. Are Democrats not enthusiastic enough about voting and is that what those turnout numbers mean?"

    Perez denied that there was a lack of enthusiasm, pointing to the turnout in the 2018 midterm elections as well as the special elections in 2017 and 2019 and telling the MSNBC host that they "came out in droves" on the issue of health care.

    "But they didn't come out in droves in Iowa," Maddow pushed back, "and this was the first chance in the presidential race for Democrats to show their stuff and they didn't turn out."

    "Well, we'll see in New Hampshire and elsewhere," Perez responded. "I don't want to extrapolate much from one race. You know, with caucuses, even though there were satellite caucuses and other opportunities, you know, the reality is it is harder for people to vote if you have a shift job, if you are there."

    He added, "Make no mistake about it. Barack Obama is a historic figure. That is an incredibly high bar. And when we benchmark everything against Barack Obama, that is an undeniably high bar."

    The DNC chair later insisted that "the energy is everywhere" and he sees it on the campaign trail.
     
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    It's neither. Why would education or experience have anything to do with whether you're more or less likely to vote?

    Older people, especially retired people, have more to protect by voting, like social security, Medicare, etc. Thus, they have more investment in voting.

    There are other factors too, like older people generally have advanced more in their careers and therefore have more flexibility to leave work to vote, and retirees don't have a job to need to leave.
     
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    I would feel a lot better about Bernie if he would at least declare himself a Democrat.
     
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    While 15 votes changes nothing, it’s yet more proof of inaccurate reporting.
     
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    Couple more examples from other precinct captains:
     
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    I get what your saying but I’ve lived and worked in Milwaukee where unions are still strong and workers hang the American Flag profligate from factory rafters. Many are dens that still believe in capitalism and love Harley Davison, Miller, Sports, immigartion control, Hunting and American pride through Manufacturing. if Bernie goes to Milwaukee with a far left socialist message it would be like someone from India going there promoting there motorcycle over Harley. If Bernie was smart he’d start riding one
    Now. When you go to ball games or large parking lots you still see a larger Percentage of American made cars and trucks as compared to the west coast.
    They still allow smoking in public places in Milwaukee. Im not against some Bernies ideas he just needs to Move a bit to the middle on some issues and he won’t. Is he even a Democrat?

    they still eat fish on Friday’s in Wisconsin!
    Very Catholic
     
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    Just taking a guess at a possible reason why there was low voter turnout in Iowa (I'm an Iowan). All the candidates have been in and out of Iowa for the last 6 months. We have been bombarded with this stuff like crazy (it's always this way, but even more this time around), way more than any other place because of the emphasis placed on Iowa. An uncountable amount of texts, calls, commercials etc. from every campaign. It is so sickening. Everyone just gets tired of it long before the Caucus date. Even my 7 year old daughter started screaming "I'm sick of Tom Steyer" everytime a commercial came on between her youtube videos or we drove by one of his billboards.

    I'm a registered Independent, so I got blasted daily. I could have changed my party to Democrat at the Caucus door to participate, but I decided against. Figured I should let true Democrats be able to choose their candidate.

    All just a guess, but I think so many people just wanted it to be over months ago, so many people were probably pretty apathetic by the time the actual Caucus date came.
     
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    Curious, do you think as an Iowan do you think impeachment had anything to do with the turnout?
     
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    I don't think so, but maybe for some.
     
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    I agree with comments that many people are tired of the fight.
     
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    This is fake news.

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