Did Olshey blow it by not trading Whiteside?

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  1. James lamphear

    James lamphear Well-Known Member

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    I woul like to see them sign Whiteside and just use Zach small ball center. Do I really care who start between Nurk and Whiteside due to they both have there strengths and weakness. To be able to even consider to win a championship players have throw there ego to the side.
     
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    How would Zach get minutes at small ball center if Whiteside and Nurk are on the team and healthy?

    This is why I've never like this idea.
     
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    Agreed with your point, but that's still a big if.
     
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    did you notice I said those bullet points were "likely". Never said there was certainty

    but we do have what Portland did at the trade deadline, and what Olshey explicitly said about it. He said they deliberately went after those savings, and there was pretty clear reporting JA didn't want to send out picks to save money. All that's left is to see if Portland pays tax next season. My bet is no way
     
  5. James lamphear

    James lamphear Well-Known Member

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    Real simple it more when the other team go small or they have stretch 5. We know that Nurk or Whiteside can't guard the premeter.
     
  6. hoopsjock

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    So just to be clear you not only want to keep Whiteside and Nurk but you want to play them EVEN LESS than the 24 minutes a game they could only play?

    C'mon man.
     
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  7. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    This threads about Whiteside, but of course it'll be another CJ-bashing thread.
     
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    Hobbesarable Cartoon Character

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    Whiteside for Love? :blink:

    I'm glad we avoided that albatross.
     
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    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    Tobias is better as a 4 over the 3.
     
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    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    Olsheybwill always have edcuses for inactivity that people will be able to drudge up like this, and therefore, we'll always be inactive.
     
  11. Mediocre Man

    Mediocre Man Mr. SportsTwo

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    I'm sure there are advanced stats out there that would verify one way or the other, but based on the eyeball analysis, I see CJ as a better jump shooter than spot up guy. He seems to feel his rhythm better on the move vs being in a set position, but I could be reading that wrong. Obviously, the guy is over-paid and we wish he could just do a little more a lot of the time. I still believe CJ is the kind of guy you need in the playoffs. Someone that can create his own shot and is capable of getting hot. You just don't want him as a number two scorer. I could see him ending his career as a 6th man for a championship team. If the goal is still competing for a championship, than he's probably worth more to us than in trade value. How much is someone going to pay for an ideal 6th man with a bloated contract?

    The topic question would have been easier to answer a month ago. Since the Ariza trade and a settling of the new faces, I kind of like the way we're playing. I guess I'd rather play it out and see what happens vs trading him. Probably the same mindset that got us in trouble with Aldridge, but I do think the West is a little more ripe for the taking than anytime in recent memory. Often, in playoff matches, the team with the better two/three top players wins, and we can compete on those grounds. Who know, but I'm curious.
     
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  15. Wade Garrett

    Wade Garrett Exactly right.

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    Whiteside is a good fit here.
    Let's not over react after a lousy game.
     
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    Whiteside leads the league in blocks and yet it's a constant layup drill when teams play us. Watching the Grizzlies just stroll in and dunk it about ten times in a row was just embarrassing. Our offense is not nearly good enough for our defense to be this atrocious. (Plus Whiteside has pretty poor hands for somebody who gets so many rebounds.)
     
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    Exactly why we'll retain him relatively affordably.
     
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    I don’t think one guy is capable of stopping a layup drill if the rest of the D is bad enough.
     
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    No, because the value of Whiteside is less than Drummond who got a second round pick.

    Whiteside had the value similar to an injured player. No contender could work him into a max slot on their cap to help their team. No rebuilding team wants him.

    The failure was the contracts signed in the 2016 offseason. They didn't have value when signed, were worth less later, and had little value as expiring deals
    No teams want cap room this summer.

    Neil should've saved the cap space for another use.... hell even just taking on salary and draft picks would've been better.

    The Turner contract was especially unforgivable. He was a 10th man earning $2 million. Meyers was also terrible. Crabbe/Harkless were fine, just sort of the normal poor deals GMs sometimes make.
     
  20. GriLtCheeZ

    GriLtCheeZ "Well, I'm not lookin' for trouble."

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    Probably yeah.
     

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