Melo wants to stay.

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  1. blazerfan11

    blazerfan11 Well-Known Member

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    This is what makes me sad as a Blazer fan.
    What level of threat?
    A great threat ?
    A good threat ?
    A mediocre threat?
    less that average threat?


    What player in the NBA does Melo's threat level compare to?
     
  2. GDiama

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    He is inefficient and bad defender. I don't see the reason to keep him. And i m not sure he will be ok with a 20 mins role.
     
  3. lawai'a

    lawai'a Well-Known Member

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    hard to teach an old dog new tricks. perhaps i m wrong here, but, it sounds as if melo should maybe embrace the analytics side to improve shot selection. also sounds as if cj should realize he needs to pay closer attention to the available data that shows his strengths and weaknesses that many posters on here readily access in the ongoing cj saga.
    this is taken from an article by quick in the athletic:

    McCollum was asked about his approach to the All-Star break and the homestretch that follows.

    “I always take a break, recharge, refresh and get ready for the playoff push,” McCollum said. “I’ll give my body a break. It’s been a long year, lot of nagging injuries. I’m coming off an ankle sprain and we’ve been shorthanded, so I haven’t really been able to rest. But the last couple years, I shoot like 42 to 45 percent from 3 after the break.”

    In the stall next to him, Carmelo Anthony was dressing.

    “You know that,” Anthony said, whipping his head around.

    “Yeah,” McCollum said.

    “You know those stats?” Anthony asked incredulously.

    “Yeah,” McCollum said. “I know what I need to do to get my body ready for the long haul …”

    “But, you know what you’re shooting?” Anthony said.

    “Yeah.”

    “Wow,” Anthony said, shaking his head.

    “You gotta talk to the analytics …” McCollum retorted.

    “I don’t want to know.”

    “Well,” McCollum said, “when you do know, that means you are doing something right.”

    “I don’t want to know,” Anthony said chuckling.

    McCollum was mostly right: In every season but one since he has been a rotation player, he has markedly improved his 3-point shooting after the All-Star break.



    Still On CJ

    When asked how he viewed his season, he basically gave himself an incomplete.

    Is likely just Melo's reaction to a particularly bad shooting night but i found a double entendre in his quotes that could be applied. (green font)
    could substitute "i don't want to change" for the "i don't want to know" quotes, lol
     
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  4. James lamphear

    James lamphear Well-Known Member

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    Zach going come back sometime and he probably going come off the bench starting out. But eventually he going take that starting position. Do Melo going to have to accept coming off the bench or not and if that the case then you try to resign him back. If I was the coach sometime this if Zach I would look at before the season ends.
     
  5. wizenheimer

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    I know a lot of people hate when I post some numbers, but I'd say this situation calls for it:

    * 29.5% of Melo's offense comes from post-up. He ranks in the 55th percentile, so about 45% of NBA players who are credited with post-ups are better than Melo. Portland only has 4 players who post-up according to the numbers: Hassan, Skal, Merlo, and Hood

    * Melo scores 0.92 points/post-up. As a team, the Blazers score 1.24 points/shot. So then, every time Melo posts-up, he will score on average 0.32 less points than Portland's generic FGA.

    * taking that further, Melo averages 4.1 post-ups a game, meaning Portland is losing 1.3 points a game from Melo's postups compared to their average. The perspective on that is Portland's margin of victory right now is -1.9. Replace Melo's post-ups with a generic play and Portland scores 1.3 more points a game

    * more perspective: here are some of the players better than Melo at post-up: Bojan Bogdanovic (1.11 ppp), Rhonda Hollis-Jefferson (1.00), Demar Defrozan (1.05), Devin Booker (0.95), Danilo Gallanari (1.07), Miles Bridges (1.21), Larry Nance Jr. (1.16), Marvin Williams (1.11), John Collins (1.09, Luka Doncic (1.08), Jabari Parker (1.06), Harrison Barnes (1.02), Mo Harkless (1.00)

    I think the age of the three-point shot has reduced the impact of post-up offense. Only 37 players average 1.00 points or more on post-ups and 13 of those post-up less than 5% of their possessions. I'm not going to calculate what each team averages on points/shot but Portland averages 1.24 and they are only 17th in TS% so I'd imagine they are about average in points/shot

    A really good post-up big man may collapse a defense enough to open up perimeter shooting opportunities, providing that big is good at moving the ball inside>outside. Many aren't

    Maybe the best impact of a post-up would be drawing fouls, but Melo's FT rate is only .187, about half that of Dame and less that Bazemore or Swanigan

    Obviously, all those numbers wouldn't flow smoothly in an either/or manner, but if Portland brings back Melo because of post-up offense they are doing something stupid
     
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    lawai'a Well-Known Member

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    IMO if someone on the second unit is going to post up, that someone aught to be GTjr. Just an eye test though, no stats to back it up. Melo's inability to consistently defend would seem to further
    his being a net negative. young whiteside can clean up some of the mess but the gravity during the continuation of flow leaves others drawn to and out of position to defend, especially considering how poorly the team performs at the three point line anyway. hope he comes back well rested from the break, otherwise his recent performance should be a call for drastic reduction in minutes this year and a hard pass on bringing back for any role outside of mentor/cheerleader next season.
     
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    I doubt Zach is coming back this year
     
  8. Propagandist

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    What level of threat? Threat Level Pinwheel.
    A great threat ? Yes.
    A good threat ? Yes.
    A mediocre threat? Yes, sometimes.
    less that average threat? Yes, sometimes.


    What player in the NBA does Melo's threat level compare to? See previous seasons of Carmelo Anthony.
     
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    Propagandist Well-Known Member

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    Here's to Melo aging like a fine wine... Cheers!
     
  10. James lamphear

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    I think he more likely to come back then Nurk.
     

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