groin injuries can really linger and take time to fully heal, and coming back too early males it more likely to injure it further - happened to me 15 or so years ago
Sounds to me like you will get at least a few games to see how CJ responds when Dame is injured. He usually does pretty well. For the most part people usually are glad we have him.
You realize you just listed a bunch of HoFers to say oh they figured it out! I dont think anyones saying CJ’s gonna turn into, Lebron, Wade, Magic, Worthy, Curry, KD, Kawhi, AD, IT, or Joe Dumars, thats called a strawman argument, no one is arguing CJ’s going to go over their and turn into a hall of fame player, they’re saying his skillset is better off as a ball dominant lead guard, and that in the east he’d be much closer to an allstar then he is here. Obviously CJ’s not as talented as those guys... Also your list is kind of funny to me of who you’d rather have because you basically you want anyone not named CJ because they’re all just better. I think the truth is you just really don't like CJ’s game, how he fits, and the Dame + CJ back court and you’re having a bit of a grass is greener mentality with him. Which is perfectly fine and reasonable to some extent, we all have some bias’, but its going to be hard to really discuss what CJ’s worth if you come at it like basically every starter in the east is better than him. Familiarity breeds contempt I guess. NO shouldnt of given that ridiculous contract IMO but also I think he’s better than many of the guys you’re saying are just better than him, a lot of those guys have proven basically nothing.
I couldn't remember exactly what he said. I knew it was something like that so I used the single quote mark. Thanks for the correction. I'm guessing legit isn't as bad as significant?
you're moving around the field a lot. I brought up those other pairings in response to the idea that there is only one ball and two ball-dominant players are going to have issues. Plenty of other pairings have not had any real issues playing together. But if you're going to say that the ability to co-exist with one ball is due to elite talent working together, then that goes directly to what I'm arguing I'm noticing you're spending a lot of time criticizing the list I made on a generic level, but you're not arguing any specifics, so I'll make it a little simpler...here are the players I said were ahead of CJ: Kemba Walker Kyrie Irving Bradley Beal Jimmy Butler Trae Young Khris Middleton Victor Oladipo Ben Simmons Zach Lavine I said that in response to somebody saying CJ would be a "definite" all star in the east. So then, tell me which players on that list is CJ definitely better than. As far as I can tell, the only two you might make a case that CJ is even close to are Lavine and Oladipo, and the only reason Oladipo would be there is because of coming back from injury. Do you disagree? let's me also be clear...the reason I said I'd rather have most of those other players more than CJ is because of fit with Dame (and defense). I just don't think the Dame/CJ 'it's-my-turn-it's-your-turn-now' mesh is anywhere close to optimal; and that's setting aside any talent differentials[/QUOTE]
I don't know. Slightly different connotation, perhaps? Legit, as in the injury is something that legitimately keeps him from being able to play. Significant, to me, would imply that it is something that might be more long lasting. I guess we'll find out in the next week or so.
I expect CJ to put up big numbers with Dame out. He generally does. And Portland's schedule is pretty easy so they should log some wins. Only 2 of the next 10 games are against teams with winning records
I think CJ is better than Lavine, Middleton, Oladipo and is on par with most of the other guys on your list. Beal and Kemba and even young Havent really actually done that much other then put up numbers for garbage teams which is precisely what I think CJ would do. Ben Simmons has like a 100% different game then CJ so Im not sure what to do with those two.
So you expect "Big Numbers" and they should "Log some wins" because the teams they will be playing are weak teams? Lets put it this way. Right now with Lillard, Hood, Collins, Nurk and Little on the injury list the Blazers are a pretty weak team. It would take a herculean effort by CJ to "Log some wins". Maybe even an All-Star type effort. But i guess if you "Expect" wins nothing will make you happy with his effort at this point.
ok then, that's why we disagree so much on this a comparison: now, I entered Oladipo's numbers from his last healthy season and of course there's no guarantee he will get back to that level. But then there's no guarantee that CJ will bloom as a #1 option over the course of 82 games either. What he does in a 6 or 7 game stretch isn't the same as carrying that burden for a season notice that CJ is dead last, by sizable gaps, in PER, TS%, FT rate, assist rate, winshare/48, box plus/minus, and value over replacement. CJ is best at turnover rate and that's it but him being the main guy in Charlotte is going to turn all that water into wine....apparently
I don't know how long Dame will be out or if Little will be back. Dame might miss a couple of weeks. Portland was winning games with all those other guys being out, the 'only' difference is no Dame. Looking at the schedule, yeah, I expect a few wins, but then, I haven't been saying CJ is a scrub, I've been saying he's not an all-star. There's a lot of room between those two levels
Beals team sucks, middleton is like the third option, you say CJ doesnt play against defenses dont pay attention to him. Well hate to break it to you but when teams play the Bucks they arent breaking form to stop Middleton over Bledsoe or Giannis. Zachs team sucks, Youngs team sucks and the Pacers hardly seem to have missed VO. If those guys were all so good their teams wouldnt struggle so much in a crappy conference in a sport where yes one guy can make a huge difference. Yes I think a team that let CJ play according to his strengths would make CJ look better. Just like all those other teams building their offenses around there “stars” make them look better.
I have seen both, and its close between him and Bledsoe for who is 2nd / 3rd best player but they play in a system thats perfect for them with the guy who will probably be mvp again. Not all that impressed.
I forgot how you put it but didn't you basically say earlier in the season that the team is Dame and not much else talent when other's were arguing that a team with Dame, CJ, and Whiteside should be better than they are? As for Beal, without anyone close to the list you guys are talking about the Wizards aren't really that much worse than the Blazers.
Yeah, to me this year has proved CJ’s not that great, but I dont think any of those other guys are that great either. I think the Blazers basically are Dame and bleh. However I think in CJ’s case he would “look” better somewhere else and put up better numbers somewhere else too. So Im not arguing that CJ is some elite talent just that he fits in pretty well with a bunch of other b and b-minus high volume guys.
I get stuck watching a lot of milwaukee games and is my reaction to them. Edit: maybe a lot is an exaggeration but they’re on tv quite a bit.
