#24 Anfernee Simons

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  1. Scalma

    Scalma Well-Known Member

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    Has the criticism of Simons been unfair? I looked up at his monthly splits. They are

    October: 51% FG, 36% 3PT, 1.4 TO, 0.4 Assist

    November: 40%, 34%, 0.9, 1.7

    December: 43%, 33%, 0.7, 1.2

    January: 35%, 23%, 1.3, 1.9

    February: 52%, 50%, 0.7, 1.7
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    If you take out his awful January his splits come out to

    47% FG, 38% 3PT, 0.9 TO, 1.3 assists

    Now obviously February is a small sample, but I see a young player who hit a wall in the middle of the season; a pretty common thing, and we’ve probably overreacted largely because of the hype he came into the season with. He’s being developed as a point guard and is learning to run a team for the first time at the highest level of organized basketball. Physically it’s pretty obvious he’s underdeveloped and will take time.

    I think the biggest mistake Olshey made was not having a contingency plan in case Simons showed he wasn’t ready. Then again, the growing pains might end up being worth it if he continues to improve the second half of the season. He obviously needs development in the playmaking department, and that’ll be the biggest question going forward, because of Trent and Littles development, his only shot at real playing time next year is at point guard. Still, he's probably been given shit he hasn’t really deserved.
     
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    He definitely looked better and more confident last night. Looked in control and his pace was within the game. Maybe the whole picture coming into focus a bit? Many call it the game slowing down for him? A step closer to where he needed to be on defense. It seems that is always the toughest part. Young players get out of sync on defense and it frustrates their offense. Then Coaches do what coaches do. They pull the player and try something else that might work better to win a game.
     
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    Yeah hopefully it’s slowing down for him. I’ve also seen some compare him to other players his age and it’s kind of unfair. A year of division 1 basketball is a lot different than a year at IMG. You could bring up Mitchell Robinson but that dude is a center, his job isn’t that difficult. It’s a lot easier to play on instinct when you don’t have to remember where everyone else is on the court.
     
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    did you just add up those numbers, excluding January, and divide by 4?

    in reality, for example, his FG% for those 4 months was/is .427. That's not bad but it's not 47%. And his 3ptFG% is .351, not 38%. Again, those aren't horrible numbers. But of course, there aren't mulligans in the NBA....unless you're playing for the Kings

    I'd agree it's possible he hit some kind of wall that young players often hit, but it is a contrast that Trent isn't hitting the same wall. Now perhaps, Simons got scouted and teams started taking away things he likes to do. That happens with every player. And maybe scouting will next catch up to Trent and he'll slam into a similar wall. What's important is how players adjust to the things other teams are doing
     
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    Idk what I did maybe maybe not.

    but Trent also played a season of college and is obviously more physically mature. What are the most amount of games/minutes Simons has played before this season? I don’t even know what an IMG schedule looks like. The wall he hit could easily be physical rather than a scouting report. I mean he was missing wide open looks.
     
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    yeah, I don't know what it looks like either, but I'll check google:

    https://www.maxpreps.com/high-schools/img-academy-ascenders-(bradenton,fl)/basketball/schedule.htm

    I don't have any real way to judge the schedule but I'm guessing it wasn't as challenging as Duke

    and here is the schedule when Simons was there:

    https://www.maxpreps.com/high-schoo...nton,fl)/basketball-winter-17-18/schedule.htm
     
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    Looks like mostly high school age kids with several high school teams for included opponents during Simons' time there. The roster on one of IMG's opponents listed a tallest player @6'6" and guards between 5'9"-6'1".
     
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    The stats definetly don't match the eye test
     
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    Simons has continued to play well lately. Shooting 50% from the field and outside in his last ten games. I hear some say this is a lost season, and to a degree it might be, but the development of players like Simons, Trent, and Little makes me say it’s not. Those are three rotation caliber players next season, something we might not have been able to say with as much certainty had everyone stayed healthy, especially in Trent and Littles cases.
     
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    If Dame misses a few games, it is the perfect time for Simons to get more run and built his game. Just hope that he can stay away from the CJ tendencies of being an inefficient chucker. Last night CJ had 23 points on 25 shots while an admittedly hot Ant had 22 points on 12 shots.

    Would like to see Ant in situations where when a teammate is on fire, he makes every effort to get him the ball. CJ's mindset seems to be, if someone else his hot, he needs to keep shooting no matter how many bricks he is throwing up to match the 'hot' player's point production.
     
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    OK this is a common narrative, but when has this actually happened? I remember a ton of games when he deliberately got out of Dame's way when he was on fire.
     
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    Dame is the only one he will do that for. Gary Trent is on fire? Doesn't matter.....CJ is chucking. Whiteside shooting 80% for the night? CJ is chucking while Hassan gets single digit shots. Ant last night 6-7 from 3-pt range? CJ jacks up 6 more shots than anyone else on the team. Ariza hot against Miami? CJ takes 50% more shots shooting 33%. The examples are far too frequent.
     
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    Think this argument is too simplistic and the supporting evidence isn't really indicative of anything when you simply point out shot attempts. Dame took 19 shots last night and hit only 7. Melo took 15 while making only 1. I don't think CJ forced anything last night until late in the fourth. I

    If anything the one guy I saw taking shots away from Ant, it was Trent last night on multiple occasions, going one on three while ignoring Simons.
     
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    Last night after Ant hit his 6th consecutive 3 and then got to the free throw line the very next possession the inbounder was going to pass it in to Ant but CJ came down the opposite side of the court calling for the ball. So the inbounder pased to CJ and he dribbled around and shot a brick without passing once.

    It's possessions like this that are so selfish and drive me crazy. I'm not saying CJ is a bad player though.
     
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    Bigger picture.....not just one game. I gave multiple games worth of examples. No on shot well last night (outside of Ant) but using Dame, one of the most efficient players in the NBA as an example of 'silly pointing out of shot attempts' might not be the best example. Just sayin'....

    Now using Melo? Great example because he is #15 on the Blazers in eFG%....behind Little, Hoard and Gabriel! Less shooting for him and more for someone who is hot....well maybe that makes too much sense.
     
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    My concern is Ant trying to do too much. That's what got him messed up in the first place. Too much thinking. Too much trying to break guys down off the dribble and make these highlight plays.

    What ignited him last night was Dame driving and getting him a couple of open looks early. He got confidence and he got the defense's attention which opens lanes for him to start attacking the basket. He fits better playing with Dame than with CJ, though.
     
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    So does everyone else hehe.
     
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    LOL. Obviously.

    Seriously speaking, though, just in the style of game and not ability. Right now, Ant's kind of like CJ in mindset without CJ's ability. He needs someone who can create scoring opportunities for him before he starts overdribbling and trying to create for himself. He needs someone to get him open, let him knock down a couple of shots and get confidence. His game seems to flow then.
     
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    The Rising Stars game has 10 Americans vs. 10 foreigners, from the last 2 drafts. In his draft class alone, Simons was picked #24. That makes him 48th-most-likely in a field of 20. What are you complaining about?

    In his 1-year 2018 draft class alone (2 drafts play in the game), he is #29 in career minutes, and below the top 5 Americans in the other categories too. (Click his name to make it orange, return to page, click column headings.)

    https://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2018.html

    He's not playing below expectations, based on draft position. To accelerate his development, Olshey didn't obtain a sub PG. If you think Olshey mis-evaluated him after his rookie season, make it clear you're not blaming the player.

    See roster. Simons is not better than any American sophomore there...Bridges, Graham, Jackson, Young, Carter, or Carter's replacement Sexton.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rising_Stars_Challenge#2020_game
     
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    I’ll tell you who should’ve been in the rising stars challenge.

    50EB9A11-69FE-4953-BBCE-13109B15539B.jpeg

    Grades out better than Miami’s other rookie as well, the 24 year old. Wish Trent would’ve gotten minutes earlier. Thanks Terry.
     
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