What would it take for Neil to completely blow up the team?

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  1. jlprk

    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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  2. BonesJones

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    I'm so confused...

    You said "You cant tell me CJ and Stotts Are happy with the way this season has turned out"

    I asked "who told you that?" as I didnt see anyone saying that.

    You told me I was being "rude" by asking that... so I asked "how?".

    And then you go on some rant about my "one word responses" and how you dont engage with me or anyone from "those teams" (?) because of, I dunno, something?

    I said "smh" towards you in a prior conversation because I thought you were being a bit sensitive and standoffish. Now you're basing some sort of grudge off that and being standoffish over it while admitting you were standoffish in that prior conversation? ...

    I'm so confused as to why you're so upset right now. I honestly am...

    But anyway, I'll respond to whoever I want to respond to. I'm not being rude or out of line. If you really hate me responding with simple questions then you can put me on ignore and you won't have to see my responses. It seems like you really dislike them, and you can choose not to see them.

    I have no idea why you're trying to send signals, or trying to "force people to read between the lines" on an internet forum, all to try to get people to randomly stop replying to you... I'm not sitting here worrying about "Oh, maybe H.C. doesn't want me to respond to his post and will get upset if I do so, so I better not", so don't get so frustrated that I'm not picking up whatever signals you're trying to give. I'm not worrying about trying to read your signals like that... But since it's a problem, the simplest solution would be to use the ignore feature.
     
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  3. H.C.

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    First, it would be nice to put you on ignore, but alas I and apparently others cannot.
    Second your comment ''who told you that'' makes zero logic as I bolded the specific part from Eric with his assumption.
    Third, actually my desire to have nothing to do with you or anyone else on those teams has nothing to do with anything recent. So frankly piss off all of you.
     
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  4. Hobbesarable

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    Hahaha. I need more :bwpopcorn::biglaugh:
     
  5. BigGameDamian

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    A week could be dealt with. A month - season's over.
     
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    this year is ok because of the injuries. but, next season, if we fail again or we struggle, i think we may blow up. But who knows...
     
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    That injury has 2 weeks to heal and yes Dame going to miss up to 4 games. So I don't expect him in the lineup on Friday.
     
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  9. BonesJones

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    I dont know why people cant. But you can also ignore my posts without putting me on ignore.

    Still dont understand why you're so upset or holding grudges, but you do you man.
     
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    I don't understand this thread. Neil already did blow it up. Whiteside, Melo, Ariza, Trent, Simons, Gabriel, Swanigan, Hezonja. None of these guys played in the WCF last season. Neil did a complete overhaul. If by blow it up, you merely mean trade CJ, then say so. But a true blow up would mean trading Dame too and I don't think anyone here wants that.
     
  12. PtldPlatypus

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    The understanding, leaving last season's WCF, was that the core was Dame/CJ/Collins/Nurk. Nothing that happened this past offseason changed that understanding. So regardless of how many ancillary pieces changed, the core remained intact.

    Going forward into next season, the core remains Dame/CJ/Collins/Nurk (now with Hood as well). To "blow it up", they would have to change that core. So yes, trading CJ would qualify as blowing it up. Trading some combination of Nurkic/Collins/Hood would also qualify.

    "Blow it up" doesn't necessarily equal "start from scratch" (which is why I disagree with your statement that a "true blow up" would mean trading Dame).
     
  13. CupWizier

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    Just as you say "blow it up" doesn't mean starting from scratch, I think most people would agree that it would entail trading more than one of those "core" players in order to blow it up.
     
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    I should have said "could" rather than "would". My point was that there's variability in interpretation of the term, demonstrated by the post to which I responded in which Eric simultaneously says that Neil already blew it up this past off-season without touching the core at all, while also saying that a true blow-up would involved trading not only CJ, but Dame as well.
     
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    I agree, but when you add "completely" to it, it makes it sound like starting from scratch. It's a subjective term though.

    Blow it up suggests making the team worse to add assets.
    I think "retooling" would be swapping a member of our core for similar value to possibly raise our ceiling in the playoffs.
     
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    yeah

    NBA teams are driven by just 2 or 3 core players. The direction is based on those core players and so is the style. Changing direction and style is not a rebuild. Trading CJ for a SF that fits better, but might be a downgrade in talent is not rebuilding, it's changing direction, and teams need to that when they've driven into a cul-de-sac.

    IMO, Portland has only 1 core-worthy player, but they have 2 others only by default and one of them hasn't played in a year. The Lakers, Clippers, Bucks, Rockets...they all have two core players. The supporting roles are important for sure, but those supporting actors can be changed and the direction of the team stays constant because of the core pair. Trading half of a pair, is a major step and change of direction but it isn't necessarily a rebuild

    I guess a team can rebuild around a core player. Portland could tear it all down, keep Dame and rebuild around him. But a full rebuild would be moving on from Dame as well
     

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