Politics Can Sanders beat Trump?

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  1. MARIS61

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    I hear it will be Vladimir Putin. :dunno:
     
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    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    i hear that you are failing at your comeback as a comedian.
     
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    OK, well, you're old enough to remember..grow lights. ;)
     
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    No that Trumps running mate
     
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    Bernie will win the nomination, he will pick Klobachar as his running mate, and he can and will beat Trump in November.
     
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    I dont really think so, and it has nothing to do with what I want or not, but I have kind of thought for a while the Dems are on their way to handing it to Trump again...
     
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    You don't think he will win the nomination or you don't think he'll beat Trump?
     
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    I dont think he’ll beat Trump
     
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    I guess we will see
     
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    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    Are you kidding me?

    My dog, if I had one, could beat Trump for President.

    There are just not that many stupid people in this country even when coupled with the ones that hate abortion.
     
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    Id probably rather have your imaginary Dog as president then Trump or Bernie.
    However I think Trumps going to win and that feeling has grown (not subsided) as the debates and all that has gone on.

    I actually think your and the left’s perceived Hatred of Trump by the left is a big reason why. We’ll see I guess. You can only be so negative for so long before people dont want to have anything to do with you, and even if they dont go vote for Trump, they may just not go vote at all.
     
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    If Trump himself hasn't done enough to bring democrats out in droves to remove him, they must not care. And then, I guess, we will deserve another Trump term.

    Just sayin'.
     
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    Id agree somewhat but I think people get tired of negativity and I dont remember a time when politics is so negative, I think it pushes a lot of people away from the subject altogether and I think in this case it helps Trump.
     
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    Well, thanks for the backhanded compliment.
     
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    How to win in 2020: “To the left, march.”
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      Editor’s note: This article responds to the November 2019 discussion question on political independence, working-class leadership, and the fight for democracy.

      Defeating Trump and the ultra-right in 2020 means moving the electorate to the left. The most effective force doing that is the Sanders campaign, which we should become fully immersed in. Sanders has the most consistent and clear progressive, anti-monopoly program on a multitude of issues, including health care, taxation, workers’ rights, the environment, and foreign policy. That means he is a magnet for progressives working in all fields. He has made great improvements in his approach to the question of racism and has a growing base among young, progressive African Americans. Unlike any other candidate, he also raises the systemic question, defiantly rejecting appeals that he drop use of the word “socialism,” and calls additionally for a “political revolution,” meaning a grass-roots movement needed to enact and enforce his progressive agenda. Sanders is a social democrat and sees his agenda as confined within the capitalist system, but he is encouraging movement that would likely go further. The ruling class is obviously very concerned about his impact and has lost confidence that Biden can win the nomination. That is certainly why people like Mike Bloomberg and Deval Patrick have gotten in the race.

      It would be a serious error if the Party were to be indifferent about the Democratic primary and simply say we will support whoever the Dems nominate. That may be forced on us, but in the meantime, we have the opportunity to help move the electorate to the left, advance an anti-monopoly program, popularize our concept of socialism, develop ties with other healthy left forces, and build the Party. No other campaign comes close to providing us with such opportunities, and we would be extremely foolish to ignore this campaign or equate it with those of the other Dems. As the Communist Manifesto states, we fight “for the attainment of the immediate aims, for the enforcement of the momentary interests of the working class; but in the movement of the present, [we] also represent and take care of the future of that movement.”

      The first step is to defeat the ultra-right. We recognize that the Dems are the only political party that can do that, but we must also prepare for the next step, which is an anti-monopoly government. This means we accept a Dem-led government but also call for the maximum number of anti-monopoly forces to be elected to Congress as well. That will set the stage for the next step of an anti-monopoly government that includes Communists, which would open the door to socialism. If we focus only on electing Dems, what is the reason for us to exist?

      Of course, the electoral/legislative arena is not the only arena of the class struggle, but it is the widest arena and the one that draws together key activists in every progressive struggle, especially those in organized labor and the African American community. We should be active in organized labor and all other fronts to build the “political revolution” from the ground up. But to ignore the Dem primary or equate all the Dem candidates would isolate us from the working class and people. It would amount to an opportunist surrender to the forces of reaction.

      Editor’s note: This article is in response to the discussion question on working-class leadership in political struggle.



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  16. Chris Craig

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    It will be the highest turnout in election history
     
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    I don't think it will be. It's February and we've got MONTHS more of political crap to dig through, it's just my opinion but I think people are already tired of politics - and while the left may think it's just tired of Trump - I think there are a lot of people who are tired of all of it, maybe Bernie can excite enough of his base to turn out in November, but I think a lot of people are just at the stage of please tell me when it's over and we can try again 4 years.
     
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    I think people are tired of just talking about politics...but when it comes down to November, they will turn out and vote their conscience.
     
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    Guess we'll find out. :dunno:
     
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    Do you think the Dems will come out in recvord numbers if Bernies the nominee?
    I just cant see it, I think there will be those on the fence that vote for Trump rather than Bernie, especially in midwest and SE/South. I might be wrong, but there are huge patriotic, flag waving numbers in those and I don't see them embracing democratic socialism with a guy that has been cozy with communist regime ways. I might be wrong, but I think the reason Trump won was because many dems/inde. voted for him, as a vote against Hillary and I see the same with Sanders.
     

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