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  1. TorturedBlazerFan

    TorturedBlazerFan Well-Known Member

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    Im not even sure what CC thinks he’s talking about at the moment lol. Ive hardly said a word about abortion. I think he just wants to pick an argument about religion with me. :dunno:
     
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    It is a stance held by many christians including ABM. I know you have stated you don't share that stance. I just wanted your opinion on the matter as a Christian.
     
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    I can try to answer it later but Im far from traditional in how I see things lol
     
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    These over-the-top imaginary scenarios serve no purpose but to further justify you guys’ own militant attitudes. You’ll have more success fighting real life boogeymen than making up fake ones to fight.
     
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    So... abortion, laws, and legislating morality, religion are all tough subjects to try to tackle on the internet, and honestly I 'try' to keep my beliefs on things out of the discussion most of the time because usually that just leads to trying to argue about my religion, and (the royal) your beliefs and I tend to think it doesn't get us anywhere. This is going to be a really long post though so I apologize in advance.
    When I was an atheist I took that stance that all laws are in one way or another legislating morality, and that morality is really subjective what you consider immoral is different then me and vice versa. In darwinism it’s the weak die the strong survive, friedrich nietzsche struggled with this as well (he was a darwinist theologian) and as an atheist I believed there really should be no laws after all were just carbon we live we die our make up and importance to the universe is essentially nothing so what if Im raped or murdered. Anyways thats kind of a long winded way to say that my thoughts have changed on that, but I still think someone who really, really wants to argue against “legislating morality” as an atheist still has some hills to climb themselves.

    As a Christian my stance has kind of changed, there are things we have laws for that while yes are still pushing one word view or another there are laws we need to function as a society. Laws on homocide is the “big” one that comes up frequently. If I were to say that I think in, “Gods” eyes abortion is a sin, I would say probably at least mid-late term ones, but I don't know. However bigger than that to me is that while we can never get around how we vote is our way of pushing our world views on others I dont think its the place of Christians to tell non-christians how they must live by our moral standards. If a woman decides shes going to have an abortion I dont think its our job at least right now to judge them, or to punish them for it. I personally am squeamish about late term abortions but even to some extent it really isnt on me and my “feelings” dont really constitute a good argument for voting against someone else’s feelings.

    I think Jesus’ life showed an example of how we should live and really he spoke a lot about religious people using the law to burden down and to gain power over people, and how they were really the evil ones, and I still feel like thats the case, religious people running around saying, “burn the gays, or abortion doctors or ladies getting abortions should rot in Hell”, are really the evil ones, because they’re trying to use their laws to trample others. I believe I guess to wrap this up that Christians have basically two “jobs”, First love people regardless of life styles, and secondly to worry about your own sins and let God worry about others. If there is a God he’s got greater answers to all these questions then I do, so to me a Christian who’s wrapped up running the life of someone else (ESPECIALLY if they dont believe in what we/I do to begin with) is failing to understand their responsibility is to love people not to tell them how terrible they are.
     
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    The first one is not an imaginary scenario but the current situation in our country today. Men thinking they have any right over a woman's body.

    The 2nd is imaginary for now, but could someday be reality. As a real Vonnegut feel to it.
     
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    Thankfully, in America, we're all certainly entitled to our respective opinions. You have yours, I have mine. I really don't think we'll be changing each others' here. Again, though, I had shared a number of other issues I support Trump on as apart from the right-to-life one. I respect your opinions. I hope you'll accept that I have mine, too. Thanks.
     
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    Lol, feel free to delete my post. I only answered cause I got brought into this discussion somehow. :dunno:
     
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    You have a post about what I wear?

    Kinky!
     
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    I can't respect an opinion that involves someone wanting right to live, who then doesn't care about making sure a permanently disabled human being has their needs taken care of after being born. Sorry, not sorry.
     
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    So if we can freeze sperm and freeze eggs for later use, if we could come up with a way to remove a fetus and freeze it for later implantation that would satisfy all sides in this debate right?
     
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    Of course I do.
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    If vinyl gimp suits are in your bible I want to join your congregation.
     
  15. Chris Craig

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    Thank you for your insightful answer. I agree these topics are tough to discuss online. I don't wish to argue about it. I want to discuss. To understand where that stance is coming from.
     
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    It is really, really hard to speak for someone else with confidence even if you’re similar in beliefs. There is a lot of variables throughout our lives that go into making us what we are today, and I dont at all pretend to speak for all Christians or really anyone.

    I “think” some people think like this though, “well whats a good moral society in my eyes” - Now Im going to vote for or against certain things because in my opinion its creating the framework for a good society. Which when you step back from this particular subject we all do that to some extent, but I dont know.
     
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    It’s not simply the men vs. women scenario it’s being made out to be. That is just over simplified and ignorant. There are men AND women on both sides of the issue. It’s not just some group of some old white men somewhere sipping scotch and smoking cigars and having a good laugh about “let’s force our will on some women’s bodies through force, boys, it’s gonna be awesome!” The fact is men and women both vote on these legislatures, whether they’re agreeable or not.

    Life isn’t a comic book, no matter how hard you try to villainize those you disagree with. It’s better to attack things at face value and be realistic. Going completely over the top just causes the other side to do the same, and the result is ridiculous laws like the one recently passed in Alabama that jails women under any circumstances, or on the flip side, the one in New York that allows extremely late term abortions.
     
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    The challenge I've had in here is that I'm a Trump supporter sitting smack dab in the middle of a pack of liberals - some of them actually hating on me. It's not good enough that I simply say I support my President, and will vote for him again. I'm coaxed, needled, and chided for all the why's of it. Apparently, my right-to-life reason/stance holds zero water. I went on to list the many other reasons I support the man in this thread, but, evidently, those have gone unnoticed - at least, uncommented on. No worries, though.

    Thanks for your comments on the matter. You bring a soft and breezy, Snuggie approach to the room. Heh, no vinyl gimp suits allowed, please.
     
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    Well, my Bible states that God knew me...and every unborn....at the moment of conception. That tells me they're an actual living human being. If I, or others who share my beliefs, don't stand up for their rights...then who will?

    Now, is this issue dealt with by means of laws alone? I would say no. I believe education plays a big part, as well. Truly, there are unintended risks and perils (physical, emotional, social, etc.) that come with abortion. Sometimes these girls - and boys, as well - are unaware of these. On a much different topic, the same goes for drug/opioids use. I think we could do a much better job educating on that front, as well. (BTW, anyone see The Pharmacist on Netflix? My wife and I finished watching that last evening. Fascinating look at one man's personal campaign [and RESULTS!] against Purdue Pharma & Oxycontin.)

    This all said, I see the abortion issue more critical involving young girls and boys...who have choices in the matter. In terms of rape, and the like, those are very tough and horrible situations and I can certainly see exceptions made for those cases. (Although, there are numerous and wonderful testimonies out there when the babies' lives were spared in those situations.) But again, a very different and difficult matter.

    So, I believe laws mixed with good education strategies can be very helpful. As an aside, there's a story about a teen girl being scoffed at and chided by her girl schoolmates that she was still a virgin. She simply smiled at them and remarked, "Ya know....I could be like all of you anytime I want. But, the fact, is, you can now never be like me." Rhetorically speaking, I wonder if any of those other girls ever went on to face an abortion choice.
     
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    Your right to life belief stems from a morality and I respect that. I disagree with it but I respect it.
    My biggest point is that there are all kinds of people doing morally reprehensible stuff but we accept it because it doesn't affect any of us and the 'culprit' is old enough to make they're own mistakes/errors. If you think they're committing a sin then you'd have to condemn Millions of others who make mortal sins daily. How about the Saudis bombing and starving to death100s of thousands in Yemen? How about the Syrians and Russians barrel bombing and gassing thousands and thousands in Syria? How about the administration yanking little children fromt he arms of their family at border crossings? How about sending all those people back to Central America to be murdered by gangs? How about reducing food aid to the desperately poor? How about neglecting all those pregnant women who are forbidden a life changing abortion? There's an awful lot to tackle before getting into an issue with people very emotional about that issue on both sides.
    I pray that we can improve all those other issues.

    Problem solving 101, tackle the low hanging fruit first.
     

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