Bernie is by no means my first choice but if/when it comes down to it I'll vote for him instead of Trump because for me, the number one priority is to get that lying, crooked, bombastic jack wagon out of office.
As clear as a blue sky...the guy has been a full time activist his whole life, most it build around socialism that in any form will grow the government massively and end up cost middle income earners exorberant tax increase like they've never seen before.
The only states that really matter, though, are the large population swing states--Florida, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin. Nearly every other state's electoral votes are already basically locked in. Do you think Trump wins the "fence sitters" in those states?
Very true, and I do think he will win the fence sitters, especially in WI as it's my second home and they fly American flags from manufactures rafters, ride Harley's, still smoke in public places, guns owners galore and Hunting and Ice fishing is a religion.
Yeah, and we can post the same thing a million times (HE CAN'T PAY FOR IT WITHOUT RAISING TAXES ON THE VERY PEOPLE WHO PASSIONATELY SUPPORT HIM) but Bernie supporters just won't accept it. His entire campaign, all the beautiful ideas, none of it will happen, because none of it can happen. Bernie supporters also won't accept that most American's know this and either don't like him to begin with or know he's full of shit, so it's doubtful he can even get elected and have the opportunity to let all of his supporters down. Have to learn the hard way, it's the American way apparently.
It's worth noting that a lot of analysis found that Sanders was drawing in people who don't usually vote Democratic (or, in many cases, don't vote at all) in 2016 and they didn't bother to vote for Clinton, because they were Sanders fans, not leftists or Democrats. So, I don't think it's true that Sanders only appeals to hyper-partisan leftists. While I think Sanders is a completely different type of person from Trump, like Trump he appeals to "political outsiders," who otherwise wouldn't be Democratic voters. You may be significantly underestimating how many people he can draw under his banner.
Yeah, he's a populist, but populism has a few different connotations and meanings to people, and I wanted to highlight the fact that he was also appealing to non-Democrats, so has a different profile than Hillary Clinton did in 2016.
Also, the idea that lots of Democrats sat out the 2016 election because they "hated Clinton" and that's what cost her the election and, therefore, is a risk for Sanders is way overblown. Clinton didn't underperform in general, she underperformed in a particularly damaging way for our bizarre system. She actually did much better than most Democratic candidates do in states like Texas and Arizona--the problem is, she didn't win those states, so that gain was useless to her, electorally. She underperformed and barely lost states in the Midwest. That specific type of underperformance in some places and overperformance elsewhere is how you win the popular vote but lose the Electoral College. So, if Sanders wins the nomination and you hope or think he loses to Trump, I wouldn't pin those beliefs on "Democrats sat out on Clinton, so they'll do the same on Sanders." Overall, they didn't really sit out on Clinton--Clinton's profile (whom she appealed to and whom she didn't) and campaign strategy was a bad fit for winning the Electoral College. Sanders has a completely different profile as to whom he appeals to.
Hillary and Trump were not well liked people. In fact, I believe they were two of the most disliked people on any presidential ticket in recent history, if not all-time. Trump was playing a bit of the populist card, seeing that Bernie had tapped into a vein of voters generally ignored by more "mainstream" politicians, which brought in more of Bernie's followers after he dropped out than Hillary did, because Hillary wasn't telling them what they wanted to hear. The other problem that I see is. Hillary wasn't getting people talking, there was no buzz around her like there was with Trump. Trump was getting his base fired up as well as drawing in disillusioned voters who have given up on our political system. Hillary's message wasn't firing up enough voters beyond her base to get her elected. I'm not sure if people have looked at the polls recently to see who the most liked politician in congress is.
Some interesting numbers from 538 on the Democratic field: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/democratic-debate-south-carolina-poll/ Interesting to see that Sanders has easily the best favorability numbers among the candidates, and also narrowly leads in perceptions of electability. His "unfavorable" numbers are higher than some of the other candidates, but not concerningly so--he actually has lower unfavorable numbers than Joe Biden, who's supposed to be the most electable candidate and the best "compromise" candidate. These numbers don't suggest that, IMO. Bloomberg is the one with (justifiably, IMO) terrible unfavorable numbers.
Alot of people don't care about the primaries. Most people are waiting till November. Its going to be the biggest turnout ever. Mark my words
Yes. He won the moderate vote in Nevada. He has a much larger base then people give him credit for. People are voting for Bernie and its not just young people either. If he is the nominee, he will likely pick a moderate running mate like Klobuchar and have no trouble in the midwest and South East. He is not a communist...thats a low blow. Alot of his ideas are out there, but I think headed in the direction we need to go. With a moderate running mate that can all be balanced out.
Perhaps, but....".....moderates firmly believe a Sanders primary win would seal Donald Trump’s reelection." We shall see. Nonetheless, going to be very, very interesting moving forward. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/23/sanders-democratic-establishment-panic-mode-117065
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/po...0200224-a7weqx6emvf3bah6qh5mqqqgya-story.html This is what's concerning about Bernie though. If he is the Nominee for the dems. He's going to have to stop building up guys like Castro. He needs states like FL to win, aren't going to get it like that.
He can't pay for anything he's talking about. So if you think paying more tax is the direction to go, we disagree.
