Politics Can Sanders beat Trump?

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  1. Chris Craig

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    That is quite a stretch for them to claim that Bernie praised Castro. A "massive literacy program" so that Cubans can learn. Seems like a good policy to me. Learning is the foundation of any civilized society.
     
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    Sure all the people in FL who fled Castro and had family killed by his regime really care about his literacy program. Here's the issue though. It's a pattern with him his comments on the USSR, Daniel Ortega, Castro all seem to be well sure we don't like violence, but if it gets us what we want then we can ignore it to talk about what we like to talk about. I'm just saying, if he wants a chance to win, he's probably going to have to curtail that habit he has. Cause whether you agree with the 'policy' or not people won't vote for that outside of the already blue states.
     
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    I agree very bad move talking up Castro. But, hey Trump switched his residency to Florida because he couldn't win his home state( well for tax reaaons, but also for this reason). It would be funny if Trump lost the state in which he resides again.
     
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    By the time this election is over. All the right will be convinced the left are communists and Bernie is the head man, and the left will be convinced Trumps - Hitler. That oughta make 2021 a good year for us when everyone's convinced the other-side is extremely against them, not that we aren't dangerously close to that now, but if I had one prediction to make 2021 is going to see a whole lot of violence as both sides will be convinced the other hates them. You know if Bernie gets the nomination he is gonna be hitting that "c" word on loop with Bernie, and Bernie's campaign will be hitting all the right notes too.
     
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    Ah, I see. I have not seen these comments you speak of. If they are as shallow of a comparison as the article you posted, they probably aren't much on substance then, sorry. America is the most violent regime on the planet, bar none. Yet, it's alright to support American presidents. We have a nice double standard built right into our way of thinking here in America. (Not a comment on you personally, just a general comment on what I see as flawed thinking.)
     
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    Chris, I didn't call him a communist just that he's complimented several communist countries ways and visited them. I think he is a demo socialist with a no idea how much everything is going to cost, he's making promises im not sure he can keep which is what most politicians do to get votes.
    I don't think Amy or EW would couple up with him but I could be completely wrong.
     
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    Well... I kind of agree, I don't think we come close to the death #'s of China's great leap forward and what happened there, estimates of 18-40m deaths is a lot of people and that party has reigned since Mao's death. My point is just if he wants to win I think he needs to distance himself from that stuff whether you're right or not about our double standards.
     
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    I could be wrong on it but so could everyone thats thinks he can provide Utopia. There is a cost tied to everything and it needs to be paid for.
    To me at this point anyway I support Pete, Amy and Joe.
     
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    That is the thing about Bernie. He isn't going to bend to the will of other people's interests. His message has been the same for decades, they aren't something new he conveniently chose just to impress a certain political ideology. I wouldn't want to back a politician who's opinion blows to the winds of his donors.
     
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    I am not saying he needs to all of a sudden change his political ideology, but at some point, if he wants to win picking and choosing the words are important, and sometimes the wisest move of all is to not speak. Or if he's a populist like were saying he is and is asked about Cuba why not just stop at "the way Castro came into power was wrong" or something like that. Totally understand what you're saying but he's gotta win over people at the same time or he won't win.
     
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    That's certainly true. We should always be conscious of the costs of things. That's why I never talk about "free health care" and "free college." It's not free--it's paid for by tax-payers. I just think that's the right move--I don't think we should socialize everything (as in communism), but I think we should socialize more than we do.

    We currently socialize pre-university education and we socialize health care for the elderly and veterans. I don't think either of those things has been terrible for our nation--I think both have been huge positives. I think it's time to expand both those things--socialize university education and health care for everyone. The reason is that both health care and education are crucial in creating opportunity--it's much harder to be successful without access to education and it's much harder to be successful if you can't maintain your health (or have to go bankrupt to do so).
     
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    Despite all the niceties, etc., Trump ain't giving squat to that guy.
     
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    Despite all the niceties, Sanders didn't give squat to Castro.
     
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    I am sorry, but we have a bit of different ideas on what winning over people are. His message is winning over people, or he wouldn't have won the popular vote in all of the first 3 states. Everyone is already sounding the alarm that Bernie may very well win the nomination, some people believe that it is already over and Bernie can't be stopped. His message is resonating, he draws the largest crowds to his rally's than any other politician running. If I remember correctly, he also has more individual contributions to his campaign than any other politician in history. That takes a hell of a lot of backing from the population to accomplish.

    I think Bernie can hold his own. Besides, Trump has so much baggage and has told so many lies to states he needs to win to get re-elected. When they are exposed, and they will be, I can't see Trump surviving when he has no real dirt on Sanders, because just calling Bernie a communist isn't going to cut it in the long run, in my opinion.

    I believe we will see a "blue wave" in November. But I guess, we will have to wait and see.

    Edit: A breakdown of Sanders Nevada win.

     
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    Nah, of course he didn't. But, the niceties may cost him Florida. We shall see.
     
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    Despite the niceties Sanders didn't give Squat to Castro and can't...he's dead
     
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    He sure did with Ortega though... He also at one time said Kennedy wanting to deal with Castro made him want to puke.
    "And I remember, again, very distinctly, a very distinct feeling. I was watching the debate, you remember the famous Nixon-Kennedy debate, that was the first time that presidential candidates actually debated. And I was becoming increasingly interested in politics, didn’t know much, but was interested.

    "I remember sitting in the student lounge in a dormitory watching the debate, and at that time — well, I can’t talk about you, but I was very excited and impressed by the Cuban Revolution."

    ...

    Actually, when you read novels, people say there’s a sick feeling in your stomach. Usually I’m sufficiently unemotional not to be sick, but I actually got up in the room and almost left to puke.

    It really does sound kind of like the stuff Trump says, doesn't it?
     

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