Politics Can Sanders beat Trump?

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  1. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Not sure why they wouldn't. They'd have an good statistical chance of becoming president, assuming the ticket won.

    But maybe you meant sexually. In which case, I'd guess you are right.

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    What did he give Ortega?

    Not really? Because he used the word "puke?" I mean, I think it's a bad thing for him to have said, I just don't see how it sounds "Trump-like."
     
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    agree with socializing priority areas within reason and Im for progressive tax structure (even as somewhat a libertarian) to cover the cost.
    But we need to stay a capitalist country to maintain free/mix markets that can propel innovation and opportunities. Im never for state own production or price controls as that is , where the powerful at the top live the life of riley at the expense of workers that basically have no incentive. So you like the idea of huge government providing for the mass? Why cant we have a small moderate size gov that helps those in need and some with more power to States.
    Oh, we just had are taxes done by a couple we've used for a number of years, liberals and I asked what are they seeing in terms of who is realizing true benefits from the changes. They both enthusiastically convery younger people like those with families that are not huge income earners and that those with higher incomes are getting hurt because of the 10% max on prop taxes ect.
    Im glad to hear that young families are benefitting in this regard. Now if we can address lower the cost of med care.
     
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    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    lmao...not sexually I never even considered that, but you are probably right!
    If they did and lose in the general it could hurt their future maybe? More so Amy?
    If he wasn't so anti bridging the gap and wanting to compromise on some issues, maybe Amy or Pete would entertain in hopes of having influence make Pence does with Trumper. lol
     
  7. Chris Craig

    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    A 29% chance (14 Vice Presidents out of 48 have ascended to the presidency). A higher chance if you take Bernies age into account I guess.
     
  8. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Yes, I meant both options for ascension. Although being VP and then getting elected President has seemingly fallen on hard times recently.

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  9. Minstrel

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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    I like the idea of government making sure everyone has the most basic, necessary stuff that creates opportunity. As a society, we're much stronger when everyone is empowered with the opportunity to achieve what they can.

    Equality of opportunity, not equality of results. There will always be more successful people and less successful people, richer people and poorer people. But the ideal should be that everyone gets all the things they need to actually have their chance at being successful. Then, those that do more with their opportunity get further ahead.
     
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    Nice answer.
     
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    https://communitynewspapers.com/fea...-bernie-sanders-remarks-on-the-castro-regime/

    Congresswoman Donna Shalala (D -FL-27) released the following statement:

    “Senator Sanders’ comments on the Castro regime are misguided, ill-informed, and unacceptable. Over the last six decades, hundreds of thousands of Cubans have risked their lives to escape the tyranny of the Castro regime – a reign of fear, paranoia, and oppression that regularly abuses human rights in order to stifle free thought and democracy in Cuba to this very day.

    “I believe Senator Sanders would benefit from taking time to meet with the many survivors of Castro’s Cuba who now live in South Florida. My hope is that after meeting with the exile community, he will recognize that the Cuban regime – and other similar authoritarian regimes across Latin America – are instruments of evil and are not worthy of his praise.”
     
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    Because he's an arrogant, power-hungry misogynist who would diminish and demean their place on the ticket? :dunno:
     
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    Ain't nothing new about these supposed progressive minds...

    New Harmony: America's failed 19th-century socialist experiment
    By Charles Creitz, Samuel Chamberlain | Fox News
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    (Ed. note: This article has been adapted from the six-part Fox Nation series "The Unauthorized History of Socialism," hosted by Bret Baier.)

    The history of socialism in America did not begin with Bernie Sanders or Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Rather, it began in 1825 on the banks of the Wabash River in Indiana.

    On April 27 of that year, Robert Owen, a Welsh textile manufacturer-turned-philanthropist, welcomed 800 eager arrivals to the settlement he had christened New Harmony.

    New Harmony was to be a "community of equality" heralding a new way of life. Owen's followers would soon coin a new name for his vision: "utopian socialism."

    On July 4, 1826, the 50th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence, Owen issued his own variation, what he called the "Declaration of Mental Independence." From that day forward, Owen proclaimed, men would be free from what he called a "trinity of the most monstrous evils that could be combined to inflict mental and physical evil upon the whole race ... I refer to private property, absurd and irrational systems of religion and marriage founded upon individual property."


    The quest to do away with private property would animate the philosophy of socialism for the next 150 years.

    Intellectuals were drawn to Owen and the promise of New Harmony, but managing the community's resources without individual ownership proved highly inefficient. One New Harmony member wrote that "even salads were deposited in the store to be handed out, making 10,000 unnecessary steps [and] causing them to come to the tables in a wilted, deadened state."

    "In the end, I think one of the problems in New Harmony was that it was a big group of idealists in one place -- in a very isolated place," says Connie Weinzapfel, longtime director of the Historic New Harmony site. "They spent a lot of time thinking about the idea of a perfect community. Ultimately you had a lot of thinkers and not enough doers."

    After two years, several re-organizations, and seven different constitutions, Owen's great experiment collapsed.


    "Owen had a very hard time acknowledging that there was a failure at New Harmony," says Joshua Muravchik, author of the 2003 book "Heaven on Earth: The Rise and Fall of Socialism." "And through a period of many months when everyone around him, including his sons, was saying, 'Things are falling apart,' Owen was saying, 'Things are going great here.'

    "But eventually, he couldn't keep up that pretense any longer because everyone was leaving," Muravchik adds. "And so Owen found a kind of alibi, I think, in blaming the people who came to New Harmony as being poor human material for his experiment."

    Owen's son, Robert Dale Owen, stayed at New Harmony after its collapse and went on to serve two terms in Congress. He had a different assessment of his father's experiment, writing: "All cooperative schemes which provide equal remuneration to the skilled and industrious and the ignorant and idle must work their own downfall. For by this unjust plan they must of necessity eliminate the valuable members and retain only the improvident, unskilled and vicious."
     
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    Nearly everyone is born with that, the most basic, necessary stuff that creates opportunity, barring a physical or mental handicap.

    You can't steal ambition, determination, ingenuity, personal sacrifice, adaptability and a lifetime of hard work from successful people and make it your own.

    Opportunity is there for every American, through personal freedoms guaranteed by The Constitution and The Bill of Rights, and Real Americans rise to the challenge and seize it.

    It is why over 90% of all advances in industry, science, medicine, invention, the arts in the last 150 years began in America.
     
  16. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Good point. They both do have a lot more dignity than Mike Pence.

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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    That's true. So you don't have to worry about all the successful people out there. Government isn't going to steal any of those things from them. You've nicely made the case that none of these social programs that Democrats are advocating can negatively affect successful people, they'll be just fine.

    I knew you'd come around, MARIS61.
     
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    The South? Who cares. That's as red as red can be. Democrats should just move on.
     
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    If you want Bernie to win the Presidency he's going to need some support from the south, regardless how red it is. The ONLY reason Kennedy selected Johnson as his running mate was Bobby & John knew just how important it was to win over support in the region. Bobby couldnt stand Johnson but he didn't let that get in their way.
     
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    Because Trump glosses over how guys are maniac killers to get to the part where he 'admires' the things they've done. It isn't hard at all to find that pattern with both of these individuals and they sound very similar. Ah sure they killed people, but look at how good they are. It's the same crap with two 'ideologies' who want the same thing - power.
    If it costs people's lives in the process well that's either ok or were just going to push on past that to talk about how much we like them.
    When Trumps telling us how amazing Kim is or Putin and what he thinks their accomplishments are the lefts response look at the people they killed - AND IT SHOULD BE.
    When Sanders does it with Ortega, Castro or whoever, the response should be the same and honestly, I am glad that other democrats are calling him out for it (even if I think it's mostly politics cause he's the front runner now).
     
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