CJ is averaging 32/9 with Dame out

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  1. hoopsjock

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    Atlanta is trading Huerter for Gordon. It would probably be dependent on what they thought of Gordon if they'd do that but if they thought Gordon fit well on their roster I think they'd absolutely consider that.

    Orlando was rumored to be looking to dump Gordon at the deadline. I don't think it would take much for them to trade him. Isaac is a good player and I'm not sure if Orlando would deal him but let's not make him out to be some dominant untouchable force.
     
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    I think that if Clifford were to have a say in player valuation as a defensive minded coach,it would be to keep issac as they targeted Aminu in free agency
     
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    Serious knee injuries at age 22 certainly depress a young player's trade value.
     
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    Whoa! It's like more than one thing can be true at once! :devilwink:
     
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    Yeah maybe! They do have a lot of hybrid forwards with Aminu, Gordon, Okeke next year, and Isaac. Who knows if they'd trade two of them?

    It was just a type of trade that could deal CJ and get the Blazers under the cap using Atlanta. They'd have to find a team that would use CJ as a #1 option (that's why I chose Orlando) and that has something Atlanta might want.
     
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    I could see it as I proposed a Gordon or Fournier for CJ trade but I would likely insist on picks or Bamba to be included preference of Bamba
     
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    The thing is, CJ is a good scorer and can play point guard, but he has no passing instincts. He calls his own number first, second, third, and fourth before he'll begrudgingly pass the ball....... and then expect to get it back right away.
     
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    Yet after Dame's injury, CJ had 11 first-quarter assists in the first 2 games. That doesn't seem to fit that narrative.
     
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    I would say the past 4.5 years of him starting would override a couple of games.
     
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    4.5 years of him starting at SG. I think he legitimately has a different mindset when he starts at PG.
     
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    He has played PLENTY of backup point guard. Let's not pretend like he hasn't had the reigns handed to him.
     
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    Backup point guard with 3-4 bench players. If you were playing point with Simons and Hezonja, would you pass the ball?

    Put him with legit scorers, and he plays like a legit point guard.
     
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    This is such a small sample size it isn't even funny. He has been out there with other scorers. I don't buy it for a second.
     
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    That's fine--to each their own. All I'm saying is that the claim that he has "no passing instincts" seems to run counter to what he's done as a starting PG.
     
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    Not sure how anyone can really deny that CJ's game and numbers look way different when he's not playing next to Dame. It's been just about every year, Dame misses a handful of games and it's like CJ's usage goes up, but his APG always go up quite a bit too.
     
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    But he plays without Dame all the time.... he's basically our backup point guard.

    I don't understand why suddenly he's magically a distributor when Dame is completely out.
     
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    Don't know but it's how it seems to go.
     
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    And that's why you call it a small sample size. I'm extremely doubtful that it would hold up over an 82 game season. He is what he is. He has been this way for five years. A leopard doesn't suddenly change its spots.
     
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    Clearly.
     
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    But he’s a basketball player and role probably has something to do with it. I think his role when Dame is in, is score and thats all he thinks about, when Dames hurt he thinks more like hey I have to get guys involved. In the 2nd unit when he plays and handles the ball a lot he isnt in their to set them up, he’s in there to score until Dame gets in.
     

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