OT COVID19: Who to Blame?

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  1. yankeesince59

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    Trump is in charge of the CDC. When agencies have a priority of PR and spin instead of science this is a result. The close minded attitude of make America great, we don't need tests from lesser countries we can make our own.
     
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    That would certainly explain it.
     
  6. tlongII

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    I’ll disagree with your first statement. It’s clear this virus originated with the wet markets of China.
     
  7. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    The coronavirus did not escape from a lab. Here's how we know.

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    Viruses like the novel coronavirus are shells holding genetic material.

    (Image: © Andriy Onufriyenko/Getty Images)


    As the novel coronavirus causing COVID-19 spreads across the globe, with cases surpassing 284,000 worldwide today (March 20), misinformation is spreading almost as fast.

    One persistent myth is that this virus, called SARS-CoV-2, was made by scientists and escaped from a lab in Wuhan, China, where the outbreak began.

    A new analysis of SARS-CoV-2 may finally put that latter idea to bed. A group of researchers compared the genome of this novel coronavirus with the seven other coronaviruses known to infect humans: SARS, MERS and SARS-CoV-2, which can cause severe disease; along with HKU1, NL63, OC43 and 229E, which typically cause just mild symptoms, the researchers wrote March 17 in the journal Nature Medicine.

    "Our analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus," they write in the journal article.

    Related: 13 coronavirus myths busted by science

    Kristian Andersen, an associate professor of immunology and microbiology at Scripps Research, and his colleagues looked at the genetic template for the spike proteins that protrude from the surface of the virus. The coronavirus uses these spikes to grab the outer walls of its host's cells and then enter those cells. They specifically looked at the gene sequences responsible for two key features of these spike proteins: the grabber, called the receptor-binding domain, that hooks onto host cells; and the so-called cleavage site that allows the virus to open and enter those cells.

    That analysis showed that the "hook" part of the spike had evolved to target a receptor on the outside of human cells called ACE2, which is involved in blood pressure regulation. It is so effective at attaching to human cells that the researchers said the spike proteins were the result of natural selection and not genetic engineering.

    Here's why: SARS-CoV-2 is very closely related to the virus that causes severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), which fanned across the globe nearly 20 years ago. Scientists have studied how SARS-CoV differs from SARS-CoV-2 — with several key letter changes in the genetic code. Yet in computer simulations, the mutations in SARS-CoV-2 don't seem to work very well at helping the virus bind to human cells. If scientists had deliberately engineered this virus, they wouldn't have chosen mutations that computer models suggest won't work. But it turns out, nature is smarter than scientists, and the novel coronavirus found a way to mutate that was better — and completely different— from anything scientists could have created, the study found.

    Another nail in the "escaped from evil lab" theory? The overall molecular structure of this virus is distinct from the known coronaviruses and instead most closely resembles viruses found in bats and pangolins that had been little studied and never known to cause humans any harm.

    "If someone were seeking to engineer a new coronavirus as a pathogen, they would have constructed it from the backbone of a virus known to cause illness," according to a statement from Scripps.

    Where did the virus come from? The research group came up with two possible scenarios for the origin of SARS-CoV-2 in humans. One scenario follows the origin stories for a few other recent coronaviruses that have wreaked havoc in human populations. In that scenario, we contracted the virus directly from an animal — civets in the case of SARS and camels in the case of Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS). In the case of SARS-CoV-2, the researchers suggest that animal was a bat, which transmitted the virus to another intermediate animal (possibly a pangolin, some scientists have said) that brought the virus to humans.

    Related: 20 of the worst epidemics and pandemics in history

    In that possible scenario, the genetic features that make the new coronavirus so effective at infecting human cells (its pathogenic powers) would have been in place before hopping to humans.

    In the other scenario, those pathogenic features would have evolved only after the virus jumped from its animal host to humans. Some coronaviruses that originated in pangolins have a "hook structure" (that receptor binding domain) similar to that of SARS-CoV-2. In that way, a pangolin either directly or indirectly passed its virus onto a human host. Then, once inside a human host, the virus could have evolved to have its other stealth feature — the cleavage site that lets it easily break into human cells. Once it developed that capacity, the researchers said, the coronavirus would be even more capable of spreading between people.

    All of this technical detail could help scientists forecast the future of this pandemic. If the virus did enter human cells in a pathogenic form, that raises the probability of future outbreaks. The virus could still be circulating in the animal population and might again jump to humans, ready to cause an outbreak. But the chances of such future outbreaks are lower if the virus must first enter the human population and then evolve the pathogenic properties, the researchers said.

    Coronavirus science and news

    https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-not-human-made-in-lab.html

     
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    Or the chinese were so good at weaponizing it that it slipped under these scientists moses.
     
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    those wet markets are disgusting and dangerous. They should be outlawed but greed and ignorance keep them going

    however, before we get too self-righteous about it, everybody should have to tour a couple of slaughter-houses in America. Those places are disgusting too and with essentially no oversight by the USDA, the hygiene and diligence levels are terrible. The difference of course is that street vendors don't set up their stands on the floors of those slaughter-houses, and there is at least some regulations restricting the sales of meats in stores

    as far as the CDC, from everything I've read their budget has remained relatively flat when inflation is factored. However, that's because of congress since Trump has always tried to cut the CDC budget. He also essentially gutted the pandemic response team in Homeland Security. More specifically, it was John Bolton, so since the buck never stops on trump's desk, unless he can pocket it of course, there's a little bit of deniability.
     
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    UncleCliffy'sDaddy We're all Bozos on this bus.

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    My understanding (but who I can believe anything these days) is that the Democrats are blocking “blanket”, one time payments to every adult because it’s a very short term and foolish fix. They want to beef up unemployment benefits for the people who have actually been put out of work. In other words, a steady income of some type to help them get through the crisis, not a one time check that won’t even stretch into next week. Helping those that need it, not just buying votes in an election year. I’ll be honest, I’d love it if my wife and I got a check, but we are some of the fortunate ones who don’t actually need it. Handing money out to every adult, regardless of how the virus has affected their lives is stupidity on a grand scale (and so very American). Let’s focus on those who absolutely need the assistance. People are so eager to get themselves “free” money that they ignore common sense. The Democrats are actually trying to make a reasoned response (as much as these incompetent fools are capable of anyway) and their message gets drowned out by personal greed.....
     
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    Good points, it all comes down to good management and targeted needs. I still haven't seen what the criteria is for receiving the money?
     
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    Over 21 and breathing......................??
     
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    I would like to see more large corporations stepping up with community assistance. I realize there are some doing it now but, imo, its their obligation to the community, to come through.
    Amazon should cut existing customers slack nc) on certain essentials. High Tech companies should be help with lap tops for kids, etc.
     
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    Dave for President!
     
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    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Why? What's the value to any of us in placing blame?
     
  19. yankeesince59

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    Thank you, I said the same thing a few days ago but it wasn't received very well.
     
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    Well one thing is certain...Trump won't take any responsibility for it...in fact, he even gave himself a "10" as to how well he's handled it.
     

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