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  1. ABM

    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    Well, I know that my family's premiums are very high and that there has to be a better way.

    https://www.rollcall.com/2020/03/10/ten-years-into-obamacare-cost-and-access-issues-abound/

    .....Even as the number of people with insurance has soared, costs for some consumers remain an intractable personal challenge and a growing political concern. The law has been a gift and a curse for both parties since 2010, helping propel Republicans into office in the years after its passage, but costing them the House in 2018 after a series of repeal attempts fell short in spectacular fashion.

    Now Democrats are again staking their campaigns on health care as they acknowledge the law was not enough. Presidential contenders are split on how far to expand government-run coverage, but stand united in their belief that changes need to happen...........

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/sallyp...are-has-been-ten-years-too-many/#5ec3d5aa151a


    A Decade Of Obamacare Has Been Ten Years Too Many
     
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    Elect him again to see him fail another 4 years of campaign promises?


    “Everyone will have healthcare”
     
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    There's no "now" about it. Even at the time, Democrats knew the law wasn't enough. It was a compromise as a stepping stone to something better in the future. Health care policy is extremely hard to move, you can't get from the US' old system to something like single-payer in one step. Obamacare was flawed policy, but a step in the right direction as more people got coverage and more noxious elements of the private insurance system (like denial based on pre-existing conditions) were addressed.
     
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    So, just dump all those poor people who couldn't afford health care before such as my brother-in-law and his wife. And go back to cutting people off from health care because of preexisting conditions. You go doing this and you're going to have an awful lot of pissed off voters. Ban abortions but let people die for lack of health care. Where's that respect for human life?
     
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    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    Lanny, Lanny, Lanny...healthcare will come, but (hopefully) not at the prices we're paying. I think there's a happy medium in there, somehow. That said, I wouldn't trust Joe to try and figure it out.
     
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    We've been waiting half a century for a Republican health care proposal.
    I'd like to note that Republicans fought Medicare tooth and nail until it was forced on them. Now, it's about the most popular thing the government does.
    If Democrats hadn't proposed and forced Obama Care we wouldn't even be having a health care discussion.
     
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    we have had almost 4 years and it’s been a big F for Trump on healthcare. I trust that Joe could not do worse
     
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    "He" isn't suing, that's a lawsuit brought by some red states. And it already cost Republicans big in the 2018 elections (as even your article notes) and promises to hurt them again in 2020.

    Trump was actually hoping the Supreme Court wouldn't take up the case so soon, because he knows (as has been reported in many places since he was elected) that Obamacare being invalidated with no popular Republican plan in place (which there isn't and has never been) to replace it would be disaster for him and Republicans. He'd rather the case just get tied up in the courts for years. Unfortunately for you, him and Republicans, Obamacare became popular over the years.
     
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    I remember when my son was a teenager, I was regularly considering a 67th trimester abortion
     
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    Trump had his chance to fix health care. After years of talking about it what did he do? He spent his time on a tax cut for corporations. He's playing his supporters as suckers.
     
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    enough with lying repugnican bullshit about actually wanting any health care system other than dog eat dog. They've had numerous opportunities to actually come out with plans but somehow never do....

    here's the reality: In the industrialized world, the United States has the health care system most open to market forces. A system that sets health care as a privilege while other nations treat it more as a right. And the result is we have, by far, the most expensive health care system in the world

    we have a system most open to capitalism and it's expensive as hell. And the GOP's "solutions" are always to open it up to more capitalism. In other words, take us all further down the road of adding more of what we already have the most of. It ain't working now, and going the wrong direction on health care is in the repugnican DNA
     
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    So good. Haha
     
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    Anti life hypocrites want to take away health care from 20 million people in midst of a pandemic. What happened to the"something wonderful" with which Trump was going to replace ACA on day one? Was it lost in the mail along with the check Mexico sent to pay for the wall?
     
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    John McCain says hello.
     
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    IMO the problem is our crony capitalism, and I will admit that capitalism can quickly lead to crony capitalism. In a truly capitalistic society the government is supposed to be a referee to ensure fairness of competition, fairness of the marketplace and yes to protect people from those corporations. Unfortunately what we have right now though its like playing the lakers on their homecourt and were all getting fouled but the lawmakers wont call it because they have their hands in the side of the corporation (the Lakers).
    Every country has some split of socialism vs capitalism, and varying degrees. I believe we should have options, and health insurance doesn't always equate to healthcare. Probably the closest “socialist” position I come to is healthcare, I don't believe healthcare should be a for profit industry. South Korea for instance has insurance companies that are ran as non-profits. I am not a big government type, I think you give them an inch and they’ll give corporations a 500b bailout to their buddies.
     
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    That's why I'm not religious. I'm against killing the first three 100 percent. And then he waffles on the no brainer.
     
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    That's because we're stuck with Obamacare and he's suing to get that ended. Film @ 11.
     
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    And everyone wonders how these threads turn to Trump bashing. Too funny.
     
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    Entirely speculative. But, again, I'm entirely ready to take the gamble on Trump than anything the Democratic party has to offer at this point. Premiums are heading North and no plan by the left that I know of.

    What kind of plan/policy do you like?
     

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