Politics US Navy FIRES captain of coronavirus-stricken aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt

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  1. Orion Bailey

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    The principal is you cant trust the person next to you with your life on the front lines. this is a violation of that trust and absolutely can break down a military during wartimes. Not saying now is that time but he broke that trust that is held so dear to the military. When you have to put your life in another's hands you want that trust unconditional. He just made it conditional and diagnosed himself untrustworthy to his peers.
     
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    Holy fuck, this is your response? No wonder our country is in a shithole.

    This guy should be a national hero.
     
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    He just potentially save hundreds of lives.

    Principal? Of what school?
     
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    uhh the school of military? There are other ways to go about this. If you haven't been I'm the military them i doubt you would understand.
    He also possibly contributed to thousands of soldiers broken trust leaving them isolated in the battlefield.

    you just don't fuck with the trust of the military that is a code that goes back to the beginning of militaries.

    i would only expect people who don't trust anything already to not understand this. Or if you have never had to entrust your life to another person, you likely will not understand.
    But if you have i would think that trust being broken would be understood.
     
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    It seems to me the trust broken was those who did nothing while service personnel were getting sick.
     
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    sure. But you handle it on the inside. Not with the media.
    What happens in vegas stays in vegas.
    Right @bodyman5000 and 1
     
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    This guy should be put on trial. You think he might have saved hundreds of lives?

    Hundreds of young perfectly healthy soldiers? Gtfo with that nonsense. Do the math and assume these soldiers are average people and it still wouldn't be hundreds.

    Mass stupidity is why this country has turned into a shithole.

    Snowden and Manning should be given medals. This guy should be behind metal bars.
     
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    The captain has obligation to the command system.
    Overall, I see this as a situation where he probably warned the superior staff; the case's multiplied and his care for the men that are sick and those not affected set a preventive course of action. Five Thousand lives are at stake. He knew about ocean liners in quarantine. The Navy could isolate the affected sailors on a base far off from civilian populations. Leakage of valued information was really an act of informing your chain of command on that ship. He is honest. Relieving him of command was a poor decision by those above him.
    Captain Brett Crozier is now a scapegoat.
     
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    He did go up the chain of command. They didn't do anything
     
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    Custer was warned by scouts that he should not precede.
     
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    However, no one is saying that the Captain leaked his letter.
     
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    What leak?
     
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    I'd say it is hard to figure out which one. What isn't hard is to figure out is which one it won't be.
     
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    The navy was handling it alright, it's just that they were handling it all wrong.
     
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    Was that vanilla custard?
    I do recall a General Custer but no military officer called Custard.
     
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    When will they in all their wisdom charge him with treason? Any day now?
     
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    Yes, I'm sure his crew hates him

     
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    Man, that had to be tough and its obvious his crew was behind him!
    It doesn't matter what your title or rank is in anything, you have to do the right thing!
    My father was a Captain and he would have done the same thing for the sake of his crew.
    Many in here talk about people in high places (trumpy) doing the right thing, this Captain did.
     
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    Whoops, just had frozen custard last night!
    This darn computer changes the spelling on its own and most of time its worse than me.
     
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    No, he really didn't. I'd really like to hear @BrianFromWA 's take on this, but from my perspective as a former Air Force officer, this guy, no matter how well-intentioned, did not do his job or uphold his oath to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same".

    The US Navy has two aircraft carriers in the Pacific; the USS Theodore Roosevelt and the USS Ronald Reagan. They are the main way that the United States can project military air power in a region that includes China and N. Korea. Both ships now have active cases of covid-19. The Navy has a responsibility to maintain the capability of these ships to perform their missions no matter what the circumstances may be. Geopolitical adversaries don't give you a pass because you've got some sick sailors. Maintaining the operational capability of these ships certainly includes taking into account the health of their crews, but there are a lot of factors that would go into deciding exactly what should be done at a time like this. That takes some time to figure out and to move assets around. In the meantime, you have to consider that the sailors on these ships are mostly young and healthy and that the ships have large and well-equipped sickbays. This isn't a case of a Carnival cruise ship full of old folks and a few doctors to take care of them. This guy at first responded correctly by notifying his superiors of the issue, but then decided to put the Navy in a really awkward spot by going public with his concerns. That passed sensitive information to our adversaries, it gave a great deal of worry to loved ones of the sailors, and the public response perpetuated the notion that maverick behavior is somehow admirable. The chain of command exists for a variety of reasons and one of those reasons is that no single officer can possibly know all of the facts that need to be taken into account in deciding how and when a valuable military asset is taken out of operation, even temporarily. Covid-19 isn't going away anytime soon. The military doesn't have the option of just going home and sheltering in place.
     

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