OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting

Is anybody holding China responsible? Asking for a friend...

 

I can assure you that I am not going to write in Xi Jinping in the upcoming election.

 

President Covfefe might vote for him tho...

 

I don't think anybody is giving China a pass. Whether it's their blind-eye toward their irresponsible wet-markets or the fact they shut down information getting of their borders without shutting down people traveling to other countries...they have a lot of responsibility for this crisis

but they don't have responsibility for how other nations have handled the spread of the pandemic. The leadership of South Korea gets credit for their response; the leadership of the USA gets blame for their response.

 

Trump just said that we are leading the world in testing by far. Another bullshit statement. Fake news!

 

You think any President in our lifetimes would have enacted a country wide lockdown in January? Or even February?

No fucking way. The lack of medical equipment is entirely because of our decades of reliance on China.

I went to a Knights game on March 1st. We have a Democrat governor. We don't have massive numbers and the shutdown.....they are going to act like it saved the world no matter what.

The poor kids are still going to schools to get free meals and there are lines of people outside of costco and other grocery stores. Quite a few of the store employees are getting sick.

Which they clearly have to have spread to others in public. And their families, who probably include children that go to get free lunches who take it home to their moms and dads and grandparents.

Our state government can't even predict a basic question or two when it comes to unemployment.

My coworker who got furloughed was just here. He tried to file for unemployment a week ago and made a mistake on the website that locked him out. He had to call them to get it fixed. Good luck with that. He couldn't.

Finally yesterday our office manager got through for him and they fixed it.

This whole thing is hindsight. I can say I've said we need to stop relying on China for years. How about you liberals?

The way I remember it is that the leftists here said tought shit, global economy. We can't manufacture stuff these days. I realize that is a simple way of describing the stance of the left but you get the gist of it.

 

Your eyes gaze upon two or three smaller countries with a decimal point of the international travel and commerce as the United States. Sorry, a few unusual anecdotal examples don’t set a precedent for the rest of the world and make our leadership a complete failure. I know the political agenda you adhere to screams foul with the help of 95% of the bought and paid for media, but money can’t buy truth. In fact most of the time it buries it.

I don’t know if you noticed, but the United States is a pretty popular place. As in, it’s the hub of world travel. We are a unique case. Every country with citizens who travel here en mass has some culpability. If Trump would have closed the border in January you and the media would be shitting your pants and screaming xenophobia.

In January 95% of this forum was cracking jokes and calling bullshit in this very thread.

Now it’s turned into a fucking Captain Hindsight convention.

 

reminds me of the Pink Floyd album "wish you were here"

 

In March 4 there were 14 confirmed cases of the virus in the state of California - and it instituted a state of emergency. In March 14, 149 confirmed cases - a shelter in place order was issued. This is for a local government that does not have advance intel that the federal government has. The state has worked tirelessly since to build the PPE and ventilator reserves - and has enough to send extras to other states at this point.

I am sorry, but if a local government was able to do it without the resources and intel that the federal government had - and the federal government has yet to issue a shelter in place at the national level - I am not buying this argument. The federal government could have done so much better and have repeatedly provided bad, inaccurate and harmful information.

I gave you a local, 40 million people example of a state with tons of international travel that you choose to ignore as well. I am not sure how money can't buy truth when it is clear when the data comes directly from the state and federal levels and shows how bad the pandemic is in this country.

 

How about New York? They seem to be getting a lot of sympathy (as they should) for their horrendous death toll...with no finger pointing at their leadership. In fact, the media has decided Andrew Cuomo needs to have his dick sucked 24/7, along with his dipshit brother in the corporate press corps.

Excuse me for not being able to pinpoint the disconnect between good and bad leadership. I didn’t receive the handbook.

 

Shine On You Crazy Diamond !

 

Notice Trump just called on Debra Birx to explain the wide spread testing when Fauci is at the briefing.

 

Trump doesn't get to decide who is unfit.

 

Let me help you.

New York was too late to institute a stay in shelter at a state level. The City was even worse than the state. But, the state, nor the city have national or international shelter in place authority, only the federal government has it - and NY is one of the biggest international ports in the country. the federal government did not institute travel restrictions from Europe until March 12 (Italy has 15,000 confirmed cases at this point already). However, given that New York, as a state, does not have the intel and resources that the federal government has - I really do not think they had much chance of doing anything about it before mid-March (first case in NY was confirmed March 1st). At least, once they figured it out they started to work quickly to secure PPE and ventilators - something the federal government that had the intel much earlier with them still claimed was unnecessary.

So, if we had to grade them, my grades would be as follows:

SF Bay Area local Government: A+
CA State Government: A ( thought it took them to long to close the schools, I would have closed them 3 days before they did, they waited for the weekend so people can make plans for the upcoming weeks, that's why they do not get an A+)
NY State Government: C for recognizing it quickly, B- since
NY City government: D
Federal Government: F for recognizing it quickly. D for response since.

You are welcome.

 

Rupert Murdock and Fox News only have 5% of the news market share?

Also loving the "any other POTUS than Trump would have not done things differently" defense. Not to mention the gross exaggeration ofBiden.

 

My mother used to say "argumentative people are a drag to be around" and there are some people that will argue anything right wrong indifferent.

 

You don't think Nancy Pelosi had any intel available to her? This was one month after Fauci went on tv and said we had nothing to worry about.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nb...-visits-san-franciscos-chinatown/2240247/?amp

All you've done is convince me that Navarro the economist should be President and Fauci should be retired.

But Joe Biden would have stayed up past 6pm one night and figured out that Fauci was wrong and the Chinese and the WHO were lying and locked the entire country down and put millions of people out of work overnight.

Now I get to see cops harassing people in a park with their wife and kid and a paddle boarder by himself in Ca while the grocery stores are open.

Now I'm reading that in NY 80 percent of the people on ventilators die anyway.

In hindsight, none of what we have done was the right thing to do.

 

Both Dem and GOP politicians implored The White House in January and February to take this threat seriously

 

Just not your posts and the other jokes about fucking dead animals.

 

Pelosi is part of the legislative branch of government, not the executive branch. She would have been a part of the executive branch were Trump and Pence found guilty in the impeachment trial in the Senate. Since they were not - this is really not up to her, she did not have the authority to do anything about it even if she knew.Her responsibilities were with funding the costs - and she certainly was working on it since early March.

I have no knowledge of what Fauci knew when he knew it - but the early report about the issue sure shows that Navarro was doing his job about paying attention.

I disagree with this conclusion. Like everything else, there are always consequences - but proper leadership in several places sure have reduced the overall burden of this disease in the places it was enacted.