For the last time I didn't call him a racist. I have to be clear about everything I post and make sure stupid people understand the point? Wizenhemier clearly called US racist. Go fuck yourself
And again, others don't see that and will use your post as an excuse to insult others. "Bodyman called OB a racist, I should be able to call _____ a _____." There can't be a just joking or sarcasm exception to the personal insult rule. I'm truly sorry that you don't agree with it.
So you just ban from the thread instead of discuss and edit? Sorry you don't see how there are other far worse posts that degrade this place that are accepted all the time.
Ah, sorry, I didn't notice that you'd quoted other posts, I only read what you wrote. So, nevermind! barfo
There were no direct insults. There is a difference between a direct insult and an indirect insult directed at a demographic rather than a person. The rule as currently states says that only direct insults are enforceable. should that change? That can be argued. But, as Mods we try to have as few rules as possible to allow autonomy in the forum. Should a Mod be held to a higher standard, yes. Did Stren break any rules, no. He is also a poster here and is allowed to share his thoughts and opinions. I know I can get pretty heated myself in arguments about politics. I try to be aware of what I am writing because I know my words will be scrutinized more than the regular poster. That doesn't mean that sometimes my emotions don't get the better of me and I offer a heated response that may or may not carry with it an insult direct or not. I am after all human just as Stren is. To jump to bias is a little much. If you go back in the thread I addressed everyone...in capital letters. Everyone. So did Sly. Posts have been removed on both sides. There are posts from both sides implying the other side are idiots. We can't police every mean word that is said. We call out everyone who breaks the rules, no bias, no exceptions. We may at times miss a post where a personal insult occurs which is why we rely on everyone to report those posts. We take them all seriously.
These ones here I found particularly constructive and beneficial to the improvement of this discussion and forum... But you are right. Body's post was a real issue to the peace and lack of arguments compared to the posts above THAT I QUOTED IN THIS POST FOR CLARITY SAKE..... and SOOO MANY more like them from that person. I'm not saying to muzzle anyone. i'm saying get off the backs of those who retaliate. Go after the heart of the fire if you want it put out.
I get it, and these rules lead to what we see now. A sect of the forum skating the rules from thread to thread pushing buttons. Go after them. Not the ones that respond in kind. So just to be clear though then. Its fine for me to walk around from thread to thread chasing people and round about calling them idiots and murderers and selfish bitches as along as I just lump them in with a group. See how unproductive that is? I know there isn't a right answer and an ability to please all. All I'm asking is when the mods are fed up and want to instill some order, instead of just going after the last poster or making some generalized statement, read up on the situation, who derailed it and discuss directly with them. If the scoldings lump a group of people together like the insults do, nothing will ever change because ground zero is not being dealt with.
There is no sect. Both sides skate the rules and both sides get called out. There is a lot of button pushing from both sides. Again, we call out everyone because everyone takes a part. This isn't daycare. I agree it's not productive to use indirect insults. I don't reccomend doing it. I prefer adult conversation. After I called everyone out the other day, it actually resulted in posters having real conversations...at least for a short time. But, it de-evolves quickly into I know you are but what am I? Which is ridiculous considering we are all adults here. There is no exact answer, accept people need to start acting grown the fuck up. That goes for everyone on both sides.
Because he is a very nice guy and a valued forum member and deserves a respectful discussion over the concerns he's raised.
so he's allowed to derail a thread to have a discussion that should be done in private and has nothing to do with the thread? Wow. All he does is bitch about others when he's no better than those he bitches about. Is it really that hard for you to see? Make him take it private!
Aren't your complaints about derailing the thread causing the thread to be derailed? The easiest way to get a thread back on track is to post things that are about the virus.
You derail threads all the time bitching at people, albeit it being somewhat in subject. This is an important discussion, everyone needs to hear. EVERYONE
Great response. I see that you are really concerned about it. Actually, the easiest way would be to get this kind of crap out of here including this post and only you and some of the mods have that kind of control. Give me the power and I will get this shit cleaned up.