OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting

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  1. magnifier661

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    Placebo on ventilators did moderately better than test patients.

    Benefits are for patients not on ventilators
     
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    julius Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    No, what I'm saying is it's not always "problems" that plague people who have suicidal thoughts, or the lack of having someone to listen to. Not saying that won't help people, but it's not as a simple as "I'm listening to you".
     
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    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    First responders don't get tested at the VA although they do have to pass a screening. Early morning screenings are a little more liberal than the ones a little later in the day. In fact, about half the mornings when I go to the hospital there is no screener at the entrance I arrive at. They usually don't show up until 7 AM. By that time I'm hooked up and getting treated. I do get screened when I arrive at the dialysis unit on the seventh floor. If memory serves me, Sly has been there or maybe it was when I was admitted for an overnight stay for one of my several medical problems. Just can't remember.
     
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    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    Don't think for a second that I'm not keeping safe distances, nor practicing good hygiene...because I am.
     
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    trump tested positively negative or was that negatively positive? Well heck, I'll have him explain it to you as trump is so eloquent in his explanation. Man that Wharton education sure shines through on this one. :biglaugh:

     
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    "At Surgo Foundation, we’ve analyzed county-level mortality data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to paint a more granular picture, highlighting disparities in death reporting that were previously unavailable. Now, for the first time since the pandemic began, we’re able to study excess death counts at the county level in the United States.

    And what we’ve learned is disconcerting. Our data suggest that we may be especially undercounting COVID-19 deaths in Southern parts of the US. In more than 200 of the counties we examined
    , excess death rates were between two times to 30 times higher than reported COVID-19 death rates."
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    "Across the 366 counties we examined, there were on average 51 more deaths per 100,000 people than the average for the same period in 2014–2018. If this rate held against the entire US population of 328 million, this would amount to over 167,000 excess deaths this year to date"
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    "counties with more COVID-attributed deaths also had a greater number of overall excess deaths — that is, deaths above the average number for the same period in 2014–2018.
    We expect to see this: it’s not surprising that much of the excess death rate in 2020 is attributed to COVID-19. But COVID-related deaths don’t account for all the excess mortality. On average, excess death rates are 30% higher than reported COVID-19 death rates.

    In some counties, this number is far higher. In Lee County, Mississippi, for example, the COVID-19 death rate is 31 per 100,000 people, but the excess death rate is 398 per 100,000 — about 13 times higher.
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    "Testing has ramped up in areas hardest hit by coronavirus, so the COVID-19 death rate may be higher in these states simply because their outbreaks are worse and there are, in fact, more deaths per head among the population.

    But another possible explanation is that states with lower testing rates are not catching, and therefore not counting, COVID-related deaths, which could make their reported death rates lower than in high-testing states — and lower than they are in reality.

    The takeaway: In the absence of adequate testing, county-level excess death rates reveal a more accurate picture of the toll of COVID-19
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    I think this is relevant in light of the reports that trump and his sycophants are planning on pushing the narrative that Covid deaths have been exaggerated. As with most things with trump, what he says is opposite of what the reality is. Most people with expertise in epidemiology and public health agree we are under-reporting, by significant levels, the actual Covid mortality totals. Excess death numbers certainly support those views

    I think this also goes a long way toward explaining why trump is so busy trying to dismiss the importance of testing and standing in the way of the Fed helping with testing capacity. If the actual Covid death toll was 150,000-200,000 right now, his numerous failures of leadership during this crisis would be even more magnified.
     
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    1.4 million hospital workers lost their job in April.
     
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    Trump should be ashamed.
     
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    So who here is okay that trump is golfing during this pandemic that is not controlled at all?
     

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