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  1. Propagandist

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    I've told you this before, raincloud: USE GOOGLE.
     
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    Worst excuse for a president in my lifetime......I'll say it now...he's going to be crushed. For those who think it's CNN spin try to broaden your reading and check out the BBC feed ...I've switched over to the Taipei News and BBC as my bookmarked news feeds...there's just more real world news there and nobody can claim campaign bias in their editorials...Trump has embarrassed himself daily for many decades ...even before he was elected...anyone who thought he was a swamp drainer is delusional...the BLM movement has caused England to expose a really evil cult of white supremacists in England who have been organized since the 1970s...mostly made of soldiers for hire or retired special forces guys..Europe has given up trying to talk with Trump about anything...they're talking with China now for trade deals Trump threw away.for the ability to use them as his total scapegoat....his first one was Mexico...then Canada...then Europe and England....while reaching out to Russia, Saudi Arabia, Israel and N Korea......this is what half the country voted for....if he's reelected I'll probably rethink living here moving forward...I have options I trust more than a Trump led system....he didn't want to achieve peace in the middle east by moving the embassy to Jerusalem either...that was just to piss off Palestinians after so much work has gone into bringing them to the negotiating table...read Jimmy Carter's take on that...Carter knows more about the region than anyone in Trump's camp ever will...Kushner just wants to build houses in the west bank
     
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    Just to be clear, you agree that "voting against incumbents this November "would be our "best option"...but you disagree that it "might not make a difference"?


    ...right?
     
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    Correct. Best interest - get this idiot as far away from anything not resembling a golf course as quickly as possible. Might not make a difference I disagree with. Even if Biden is a net-zero president (and I do not think he will be, he is an accomplished operator) - it is much much better than a negative president.
     
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    Thanks...thought so.

    I'm sure you know that I cannot stand Trump and getting him out of office is the first objective.

    My "might not make a difference" comment was directed at removing all incumbents, not just the big Tangerine.
     
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    I think the incumbents (swamp) will be a lot less brazen if the fish did not smell from the head...
     
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    Yup...on one hand "experience" can be helpful as far as knowing how to get things done in Washington but on the other hand "experience" also breeds corruption.

    I also touch on this in another thread but nearly as important as getting rid of Trump, we also need to educate ourselves as well as others on the issues and the people running for office in out state and local elections...half measures are not enough and so, a complete purge of our government may work to our advantage.

    BUT, none of this will matter if we shirk our civic responsibilities by NOT VOTING !...we have the tools to make a change but we MUST exercise our right to vote.
     
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    I know this is not a popular opinion given our current 'leadership' but I disagree with the idea that the US government does not work. It works surprisingly well given the huge amount of people it needs to serve, the freedoms it must protect and still does a lot of good despite the current rot at the top. There is an awful lot of 'institutional knowledge' that will be lost if a purge happens, just look at what happened to our pandemic preparedness when he who shall not descend ramps purged it.

    The US Government is a very big entity with a lot of knowledge that is hard to replace quickly - so a purge is likely going to bring more pain that we imagine with little assurances that it will be back anytime soon or at all.
     
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    It does not work for everyone....it does work for some...there are major changes that need to be addressed...if it worked we would still have a middle class...as it is we have a ballooning homeless population
     
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    Never claimed otherwise. Just pointing out that a purge is likely to be a bigger problem than expected. It is not easy to start a project as big as the USA from zero.
     
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    I realize hat a "complete purge" may not be rational or realistically probable...my comment was merely a barometer of my disdain for parts of our government, but again just to be clear, I did not mean to say or imply that "our government does not work".
     
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    I think the purge will come in November and it doesn't need to happen instantly....took a lot of time to fuck it up, will take time to fix it just like our police system of racial profiling and our bloating military expansion and investment in the arms race
     
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    I suspect that you will see maybe 30% turnover in the elected government, at most. This would be a huge change, but far from a purge. 2018 which was another large change election - had 20% change ratio.
     
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    Trump gave the country a lifetime's worth of Supreme Court judges....that will not change at all in my lifetime....big win for conservatives
     
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    I'm not in favor of automatically voting against every incumbent, I like my Congressperson (Eric Swalwell) and county commissioner, to whom I appealed over a local problem, he solved it, he's got my vote.
     
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    I already clarified my statement...but sure, there are a few I'd like to see stay and some I'd like to see go.
     
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    I agree that Mitch McConnell has done as big a disservice to this country as Trump has - by brazenly ignoring a sitting presidents rights (Obama) and transgressions (Trump) - but as I said, a purge is not likely to happen anytime soon - and that is mostly a good thing.
     
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