Politics Turning GA, NC, NV, and/or PA into victory (Biden vs Trump, 2020 election!)

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  1. julius

    julius Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Simple. They will lose.
     
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    TorturedBlazerFan Well-Known Member

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    For one, I mean Biden looked right in the camera and said what he said... I mean it's possible he didn't believe that, but was he apologizing because of personal growth in the 4-5 hours between comments or because of political backlash... That's probably subjective. I am not his judge. I will say I think his history has quite a bit of negative's both racial and other-wise is he better than Trump? I am no fan of either.

    If Trump a politician now for 3.5 years is such a threat to 'democracy' than democracy sucks just flat out. It also shows that the life-time politicians who had every chance for the last 40ish years had an opportunity to fix the loopholes that were left open and they didn't. Which is part of my point, Biden is part of a group who have had high stations of 'power' in US politics for years and in his time democracy, has gone down the gutter. What did the likes of McConnel, Graham, Pelosi, Biden, Schumer and there are others do that really make any of us think wow we need more years of that! It's gone so well that's why there are protests/riots every day. That's why mental health has been on the decline (suicide per 100k has gone up every year for like 30 years now I believe). They are all part of a huge issue we have in this country, it's easy to place all the blame at the feet of Trump, but they are all a threat to our democracy with their backroom deals, their crony capitalism, there politics and lack of results except for their and their friend's pocketbooks.

    Sure a lot of problems are all hitting an apex during Trump's tenure, but these are almost ALL problems that have existed for years have gotten worse for years, and will continue to get worse once he's out. We have no reason to think otherwise. Since all these people have been in power for years and it's continued to get worse before Trump even showed up.

    Our politicians are so hard to keep track of... Even Bernie and while I disagree with Bernie on some issues he changed many of his stances from 2015-16 to this current election, and he's supposed to be the good consistent guy.
     
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  3. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko Staff Member Global Moderator

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    I'm no fan of either cancer or a paper cut, but if given a choice between the two, I think I could manage to make a rational decision.

    Yeah, Trump being an authoritarian proves we need an authoritarian?

    Because no one imagined the public would turn out to be quite this stupid. Definitely a failure of imagination, which happens a lot (see, e.g., 9/11).

    I don't think you are correct about that, but without doubt Trump has made the problems worse.

    Probably you changed your mind about some things in the last 4 years too, haven't you?

    barfo
     
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    HailBlazers RipCity

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    Please do not conflate me with the republican party. They left me two decades ago. What gets me is people calling out hypocrisy, and then claiming Biden is a respectable candidate.

    Former White House Director of Speechwriting under Bush Michael Gerson says that political hypocrisy is "the conscious use of a mask to fool the public and gain political benefit." Biden to a T.
     
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    He apologized for making a wise crack - I honestly do not believe that it was anything more than a miscalculation what might offend some people. You have the right to think otherwise - but I doubt Obama would have chosen him as a VP candidate, grown closer to him and continued to support him if he believed he was truly a racist.

    Nope. It shows what happens when old paradigms of elections and decency need to be updated. I honestly do not believe in the 'burn it to the ground' approach.

    I am not going to go over the rest of your arguments - because they fall in the same category - that if it fails and all the problems have not been solved so far - it means we need to burn it to the ground and start fresh - which I believe is a very naive approach - I will go back to my argument that the system as a whole is fine - but needs to be tweaked - and if there is anything we can thank Trump for is that he showed us the cracks in some very old institutions that need to be addressed.

    I do not believe that such a study in compromise for such a large population is ever going to be changed quickly - but I reject that idea that no progress have been made in the last 4o or 50 years, and just because we managed to elect the person who has shown he can zero on the weaknesses in the system to advance his own agenda ahead of trying to better the country - does not mean we have to throw the baby with the bathwater.
     
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  6. UncleCliffy'sDaddy

    UncleCliffy'sDaddy We're all Bozos on this bus.

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    Yes but............Trumps refusal to use a mask (both literally and figuratively) is more frightening than the mask Biden is wearing. At least more me personally. And I will also swim in the Biden swamp over the Trump swamp any day of the week and twice on Sundays. All that said, we are so very fucked either way......I just like a little lubricant along the way at my age.......Go Joe!!
     
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    This post is saying conservatives who voted for Trump own his shit.

    This post is saying what your candidate does in office should reflect what you believe in ( as if we have control of them once in office)

    This post says no matter what the candidate turns into you own it. its on you.

    This post was agreeing to the above post.

    This post is saying the posts above it don't exist or something?

    This post is saying that the statements made above are ridiculous to have been brought up, but yet this poster will not inform those above who share his ideals, that they are wrong. Instead continues to go after the person who made the statement people in this forum say you are responsible for the candidate you vote for.


    Well....the double standards never end around here... but hey, tow the party(echo chamber) line as to fit in with other irrational posts......
     
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  8. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko Staff Member Global Moderator

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    OB, you might not realize this, but Cup, Wiz, Road Ratt, and I are all different people? We are allowed to have views that differ from each other.

    barfo
     
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    Road Ratt King of my own little world

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    You vote for corruption, racism, etc., you should own up to that vote/support. That goes for both parties. Period.

    (If by chance you eventually see the err of your ways and drop support for that candidate. You should own that decision too.)

    I already went over this yesterday, so I will leave it here as my point has been made. :smiley-love:
     
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    Barfo, I'm not sure if you realize this, but that's completely irrelevant to the point of the post at hand, that Cup was telling Tortured that it's ridiculous and people are not saying you need to own your vote and people are responsible for who they vote in.

    I'm all for having differing views. Its you and some others that have been advocating otherwise.
     
  11. TorturedBlazerFan

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    Yup...
     
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    Trump isn't an authoritarian, he may want to be but he isn't. It's kinda funny that many of the people saying he is an authoritarian are upset when it comes to COVID and such that he hasn't put forth more authoritarian approaches to lockdowns, masks and such. People calling him an authoritarian I'm sorry but that just proves how little history they know about actual authoritarians and the power they wielded. Trump again may want that power but he certainly doesn't have it.

    I did not change my mind from open borders are bad. To oh crap I need immigration for votes.
    Or, "Millionaires, Billionaires are bad" to oh crap I'm a millionaire, "Billionaires are bad". For the most part, though I actually like Bernie even if I disagree with him on some things.

    I see little reason to look at the Republicans and Democrats, their candidates, their politics, and think wow the problems they've made, they're also the ones who are going to fix them. Cause that's definitely not insanity to keep voting for the same people over and over and expect different / better results this next round...

    This is a comedy sketch btw before get too caught up in which way the comedian leans politically...
     
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    Rather be up on the fence then down in the mud with either of the major political parties but you have fun flinging it over the fence. Either way we all get dirty.
     
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    Never been dirty yet and I have been voting for over 45 years.
     
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    Reminds me though my favorite independent / libertarian YouTuber keeps talking about the US at this point is just two rival gangs going at it on who's going to get more power. Both try to leverage moderates to gain themselves power, but moderates need to just move out of the way of the two gangs fighting it out. That's really all the two political parties have turned into. Two gangs, both corrupt, both seek foreign assistance, both are in it for power, they don't care about anyone not in their gang, they both have factions in there ranks, but at the end of the day, they know who feeds them. They both get mad at people who won't pick a side in their fight. He started saying that like a year ago and more and more, I think he's right. Basically the mafia vs cartels on a grander scale. Tribalism is a wonderful thing.
     
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    The way both parties crap in each others cornflakes everyday. I think they are doing more than getting a little dirty. :smiley-whistle:
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Your favorite youtuber sounds like a guy sitting on a couch criticizing the effort of a couple of NFL teams playing on the TV.
    Yes, it's legitimate to say both teams suck. It's not particularly useful, though.

    barfo
     
  19. TorturedBlazerFan

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    Continuing to support the sucky teams is useful though.
     
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    Using your analogy, What alternative, short of changing the channel does the guy on the couch have?
     

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