General Playoff Thread

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  1. Ranger71

    Ranger71 Well-Known Member

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    Pretty wild start. Korpisalo's been a wall.
     
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    This is crazy. 5OTs (so far).
     
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    Columbus plays like the Islanders. They don't play to win. They play for the other team to do something and lose. Tampa was patient all night and got rewarded as they should have.
     
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    That was a really big win for TB. They needed it for their confidence I think. Doesn't mean they'll win the series for sure, but if they lost I think they were in big trouble, especially given the way the game played out.
     
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    Great that the Sabres are going back to the royal blue jerseys.
     
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    The Isles look really good. I think they are beating the Caps. Not sure if they can get past TB/BOS, but they are playing well.

    Also they have real good scoring depth. If they don't score it's because of their system, not their talent. We all know their 4th line is really solid. And they have Brass and JGP on their 3rd line. Really good forward depth. Dangerous team.
     
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    Islanders are not dangerous vs. teams like Philly and Boston. They will get asswhipped. Only chance they have is if those teams get picked off.
     
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    Time will tell, and I don't think they'll beat TB/BOS either, but they will have a shot to beat them, and I do think they are beating the Caps.
     
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    Hopefully the winner of the TB series makes it out of the East. I hate all those other losers except Carolina.
     
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    Caps are not what they were now.
     
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    Rask opts out of remainder of postseason...wow!
     
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    Can't say I'm surprised based on his "interesting" comments the other day. It was pretty clear after that his head wasn't in the game at all. Based on that I think the Bruins will be better off with a focused Halak leading the charge.
     
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    Rask is a pussy. He's been overrated his whole career IMO. He will never have an NHL job again. He's been talking about retirement for years.
     
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    I hate Boston enough that I'm willing to sacrifice a few draft spots if Carolina wins. The problem is i would also want them to beat Philly or the Isles if they played them.
     
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    Isles go up 3-0 and pretty much wrap up that series.

    The Caps with OV are an interesting discussion. During his 15 seasons, they have been an absolute disaster and chokers in the playoffs, outside of one year...when they won the cup. Outside of that year they have never been to the ECF, blown many series leads, and been knocked out early many times. Flip side is they have had many strong regular seasons, and again did win the 1 cup.

    So if you wrote his final postseason story today how would it read. To me the fact that his teams have never made the ECF outside of one season speaks volumes about his leadership and ability to step up in the biggest of spots when the lights are the brightest. I don't think he is a great leader, and never have.

    Yes winning a cup is amazing, but when your playoff ledger reads 1 SC and 14 years of not even making the ECF once, while blowing many series leads, I think the 1 cup gets overshadowed.

    Obviously great all-time player, but a very questionable and subpar postseason track record. That's how I see it at least.
     
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    OK. 128 points in 133 post season games (67 G).
     
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    No doubt his stats are good, but his teams have come up short time and time again. As the C of a team that has never made the ECF outside of one season, and has choked away many series leads, I am sure he would trade a lot of those stats for some playoff series wins outside of 1 of his 15 seasons. But if he is measured by stats not playoff series wins by his team, then he looks fine, agreed. I tend to focus on his teams lack of success given his role as leader of the team, more than his good stats.

    That's what makes this an interesting discussion though, maybe okay is the right way to look at it for OV in the playoffs. Solid stats, but a lot of team underperformance and choking outside of one year.

    This is like the Dan Marino debate in the NFL. Good discussion.
     
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    Well then think about the opposite of what is the case and let me know what you think.

    Ovechkin has won say 3 Stanley Cups but in 133 games he has 21 goals and 40 total points. Then what? Ovechkin has a great playoff track record or disappears in the playoffs and happens to benefit from team mates who step up?

    Surely he would take the three Cups as that's what these guys play for. Doesn't mean he isn't a great playoff hockey player, to go along with being an all-time great player.
     
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    Washington is about at that point where they need to tear it down and rebuild. Maybe OV gets dealt.
     
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    I don't know, I just can't get past the point that in his 15 years ONCE his team has made it to the ECF, once. That is really terrible for one of the best 2 or 3 players in the game, and one of the all time greats (which he is). I struggle with not holding his leadership (or lack there of) accountable on some level. On top of that his teams have blown 3-1 leads a few times, and lost series they had no business losing.

    His playoff numbers are solid, not great but solid, so individually it's okay, but as the C of a team that has had some really good to great regular seasons, to make one ECF in his whole career isn't good. I wouldn't say disaster or awful for him due to his solid playoff numbers, but I cannot think of him as anything more than okay at best in the playoffs due to his teams major failures over multiple playoffs. I would sum it up as his career thus far has been underachieving in the playoffs.

    As for their current team, I agree. Time to break it up. We know Holtby is gone (he is a UFA after the season), and I think very strong chance their coach gets fired (back to back first round exits). So that will be the start. I am thinking they'll be making some other moves as well. One note of caution though, before they won the cup they made some changes and had some people leave, and I thought their window was close to closing, and then they won the cup. Now again I am kind of thinking window almost closed and team heading down, so who knows maybe they step up again after being written off.
     

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