Point Guard Situation

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  1. The Lefty

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    Critt, Fisher and Farmar. How do you order the depth chart at the point guard position?Critt did a great job in summer league, but then again its the pointless summer league.Farmar did nothing in the summer league.Fisher is Fisher.Phil doesn't like playing rookies, we know this. I still say we start Critt come season time. Fisher as the back up and tough break to Farmar, your're third.
     
  2. CelticBalla32

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    I think Farmar will get a little more run than it may seem if you look at a depth chart, because Crittenton and Fisher can both play off the ball as well. I think it will be one of those situations where the playing time will be fairly distributed, it will work itself out.
     
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    I see Fisher starting right off the bat. Phil has tremendous trust in him. Farmar should get more playing time this year as well, but with Critty, it's hard to tell. I can see Sasha getting less minutes this year, and Critty eating the minutes he would have gotten.
     
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    fisher gonna startbut then later in the game phil might put fisher at sg while kobe is resting(or at sf) to give minutes to crit and farmar
     
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    I think Fisher is going to start and will get injured during the season. This will then become Critt's big break, taking over and help carry the load with Kobe. Farmar is going to be back-up to Critt while Fisher is injured.
     
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    I saw Crit play in the summer league here in Vegas. He looked every bit as good as Farmar, and the two played together at times.</p>

    The guy I thought looked the best was TJ Strawberry. Put up like 27/8 and made it look easy. Reminded me of Wade. Could have been just a good day for him, but he looked like the best player out there.</p>
     
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    They'll probably end up getting Bibby in trade.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing)</div><div class='quotemain'>They'll probably end up getting Bibby in trade.</div></p>

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    Not likely, bibby doesn't provide what we need. What lakers need is defense at the 1. Bibby is a terrible defender and is past his prime. We already have our load of porous defenders (fish, walton, sasha etc), we don't need another one.</p>
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo061)</div><div class='quotemain'>

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing)</div><div class='quotemain'>They'll probably end up getting Bibby in trade.</div></p>

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    Not likely, bibby doesn't provide what we need. What lakers need is defense at the 1. Bibby is a terrible defender and is past his prime. We already have our load of porous defenders (fish, walton, sasha etc), we don't need another one.</p>

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    I agree...the triangle doesnt need a traditional offensive point guard to function so there no reason to play one....they would be better suited with a guy that can pressure the ball on defense
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    i had hoped that they would make a move a someone else. Looks like fish will be starting though
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clangus)</div><div class='quotemain'>i had hoped that they would make a move a someone else. Looks like fish will be starting though</div></p>

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    Which is disastorous. Fish is statistically the third worst defensive pg in the league. What happens when he comes to one of the worst defensive teams in the league with no shotblockers? As SKY at CL would say, Pick and roll festival.</p>
     
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    http://www.82games.com/0607/06UTA3C.HTM</p> <font face="verdana" size="-1"><font size="+2">Derek Fisher</font>
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    2006-2007 NBA Season </font>

    <font face="verdana" size="-1"><u><font size="-2">Player Stats</font></u> | <u><font size="-2">5-Man Units</font></u> | <u><font size="-2">By Position</font></u> | <u><font size="-2">On/Off Court</font></u> | <u><font size="-2">Clutch Play</font></u> </font></p>

    </p> <font face="verdana" size="-1">Player Floor Time Stats by Position
    <table border="0" cellspacing="1" width="540" bgcolor="#cccccc"> <tbody><tr bgcolor="#33cc33"> <td width="80"><font size="-1">Position</font></td> <td width="60"><font size="-1">Min</font></td> <td width="70"><font size="-1">Net Pts</font></td> <td width="60"><font size="-1">Off</font></td> <td width="60"><font size="-1">Def</font></td> <td width="60"><font size="-1">Net48</font></td> <td width="40"><font size="-1">W</font></td> <td width="40"><font size="-1">L</font></td> <td width="60"><font size="-1">Win%</font></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"> <td><font size="-1">PG</font></td> <td align="center"><font size="-1"> 16%</font></td> <td align="center"><font size="-1">+99</font></td> <td align="center"><font size="-1"> 99.2</font></td> <td align="center"><font size="-1"> 92.0</font></td> <td align="center"><font size="-1"> 7.2</font></td> <td align="center"><font size="-1"> 33 </font></td> <td align="center"><font size="-1"> 29 </font></td> <td><font size="-1"> 53%</font></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"> <td><font size="-1">SG</font></td> <td align="center"><font size="-1"> 41%</font></td> <td align="center"><font size="-1">+58</font></td> <td align="center"><font size="-1"> 101.6</font></td> <td align="center"><font size="-1"> 99.9</font></td> <td align="center"><font size="-1"> 1.7</font></td> <td align="center"><font size="-1"> 40 </font></td> <td align="center"><font size="-1"> 36 </font></td> <td><font size="-1"> 52%</font></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"> <td><font size="-1">SF</font></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"> <td><font size="-1">PF</font></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"> <td><font size="-1">C</font></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> </tr> </tbody></table> </font> <font face="verdana" size="-1"><font size="-2">Min</font><font size="-2"> represents the percentage of the team's total minutes the player was at that position. W and L are not adjusted in this instance by quality of opponent while at that position in a game.</font> </font> <font face="verdana" size="-1">Player 48-Minute Production by Position
    <table border="0" cellspacing="1" width="720" bgcolor="#cccccc"> <tbody><tr bgcolor="#33cc33"> <td width="80"><font size="-1">Position</font></td> <td width="60"><font size="-1">FGA</font></td> <td width="60"><font size="-1">eFG%</font></td> <td width="60"><font size="-1">FTA</font></td> <td width="60"><font size="-1">iFG</font></td> <td width="60"><font size="-1">Reb</font></td> <td width="60"><font size="-1">Ast</font></td> <td width="50"><font size="-1">T/O</font></td> <td width="50"><font size="-1">Blk</font></td> <td width="50"><font size="-1">PF</font></td> <td width="60"><font size="-1">Pts</font></td> <td width="50"><font size="-1">PER*</font></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"> <td><font size="-1">PG</font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> 16.7 </font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1">0.450 </font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> 8.7 </font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> 26%</font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> 3.3 </font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> 9.2 </font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> 3.5 </font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> 0.1 </font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> 5.1 </font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> 22.6 </font></td> <td align="right" bgcolor="#99ff00"><font size="-1">18.9 </font></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"> <td><font size="-1">SG</font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> 13.2 </font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1">0.401 </font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> 5.5 </font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> 25%</font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> 3.0 </font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> 4.4 </font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> 2.1 </font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> 0.1 </font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> 4.8 </font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> 15.2 </font></td> <td align="right" bgcolor="#99ff00"><font size="-1"> 9.7 </font></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"> <td><font size="-1">SF</font></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"> <td><font size="-1">PF</font></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"> <td><font size="-1">C</font></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> </tr> </tbody></table> </font>

    <font face="verdana" size="-1">Opponent Counterpart 48-Minute Production
    <table border="0" cellspacing="1" width="720" bgcolor="#cccccc"> <tbody><tr bgcolor="#33cc33"> <td width="80"><font size="-1">Position</font></td> <td width="60"><font size="-1">FGA</font></td> <td width="60"><font size="-1">eFG%</font></td> <td width="60"><font size="-1">FTA</font></td> <td width="60"><font size="-1">iFG</font></td> <td width="60"><font size="-1">Reb</font></td> <td width="60"><font size="-1">Ast</font></td> <td width="50"><font size="-1">T/O</font></td> <td width="50"><font size="-1">Blk</font></td> <td width="50"><font size="-1">PF</font></td> <td width="60"><font size="-1">Pts</font></td> <td width="50"><font size="-1">PER*</font></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"> <td><font size="-1">PG</font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> 17.0 </font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1">0.504 </font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> 4.9 </font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> 20%</font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> 3.8 </font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> 7.1 </font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> 3.6 </font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> 0.2 </font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> 4.5 </font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> 21.0 </font></td> <td align="right" bgcolor="#99ff00"><font size="-1">16.9 </font></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"> <td><font size="-1">SG</font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> 19.2 </font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1">0.507 </font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> 4.9 </font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> 26%</font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> 4.8 </font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> 4.2 </font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> 3.0 </font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> 0.7 </font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> 4.1 </font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> 23.7 </font></td> <td align="right" bgcolor="#99ff00"><font size="-1">17.2 </font></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"> <td><font size="-1">SF</font></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"> <td><font size="-1">PF</font></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"> <td><font size="-1">C</font></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> </tr> </tbody></table> </font></p>

    <font face="verdana" size="-1">Net 48-Minute Production by Position
    <table border="0" cellspacing="1" width="720" bgcolor="#cccccc"> <tbody><tr bgcolor="#99ccff"> <td width="80"><font size="-1">Position</font></td> <td width="60"><font size="-1">FGA</font></td> <td width="50"><font size="-1">eFG%</font></td> <td width="60"><font size="-1">FTA</font></td> <td width="50"><font size="-1">iFG</font></td> <td width="60"><font size="-1">Reb</font></td> <td width="60"><font size="-1">Ast</font></td> <td width="50"><font size="-1">T/O</font></td> <td width="50"><font size="-1">Blk</font></td> <td width="50"><font size="-1">PF</font></td> <td width="50"><font size="-1">Pts</font></td> <td width="50"><font size="-1">PER*</font></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"> <td><font size="-1">PG</font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> -0.4</font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1">-0.054</font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> +3.8</font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> +6%</font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> -0.4</font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> +2.1</font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> +0.1</font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> -0.1</font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> -0.6</font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> +1.6</font></td> <td align="right" bgcolor="#99ff00"><font size="-1"> +2.0 </font></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"> <td><font size="-1">SG</font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> -6.0</font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1">-0.106</font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> +0.7</font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> -1%</font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> -1.8</font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> +0.1</font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> +0.9</font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> -0.5</font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> -0.7</font></td> <td align="right"><font size="-1"> -8.4</font></td> <td align="right" bgcolor="#99ff00"><font size="-1"> -7.4 </font></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"> <td><font size="-1">SF</font></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"> <td><font size="-1">PF</font></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"> <td><font size="-1">C</font></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> </tr> </tbody></table> </font></p>

    <font face="verdana" size="-1"><u><font size="-1">Notes:</font></u><font size="-1"> the PER is a complicated single number rating developed by John Hollinger
    and used extensively in his excellent <u>Pro Basketball Prospectus</u> books.</font></font></p>

    <font face="verdana" size="-1"><font size="-1">The league average PER is set to 15, but for this view the comparison between
    a player's production and the opponent production at the position is the focus.
    At a glance you can tell whether there has been a net positive or negative
    overall contribution while playing that position. </font></font></p><font face="verdana" size="-1"><font size="-1">eFG% is the effective field goal percentage, adjusted for three point shots,</font></font>

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    If you don't know 82games.com, it's an awesome reference site with the latest new-age statistics done by some really smart people.</p>

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    sighhhhhhhh.....i just hate to see laker with weak roster EVERY single year after shaq left. COME on...point guards for lakers are nothing compare to other western conference teams. not just that ..lakers are bad in every position cept kobe ..and walton
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SirLaker)</div><div class='quotemain'>I see Fisher starting right off the bat. Phil has tremendous trust in him. Farmar should get more playing time this year as well, but with Critty, it's hard to tell. I can see Sasha getting less minutes this year, and Critty eating the minutes he would have gotten.</div>ya, that's the most likely scenario i could see. by the end of the year, i wouldn't be surprised if someone other than fisher started, though.
     
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    You never know, maybe fish doesn't start. Farmar imo is a better player than fisher, better playmaker+defender+finisher. Fisher has shooting and intagibles which are skills i don't really value as compared to what farmar brings.
     

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